Green Party thread 3

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Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread?pg=40

Will post links to AC's public statement and Caroline Lucas's appalling white wash job in a moment, but for me, Andrew Gilligan nails it yet again:
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

The idea that Aimee was not
a) questioned in relation to the charges and didn't know the exact nature of the charges
b) didn't ask David about the exact nature of the charges
c) didn't ask Tina about the exact nature of the charges
d) wasn't aware of the exact nature of the charges when Coventry Pride was and told their Trustees - who include Aimee

are all either unbelievable or huge red flags.

I'm not going to go into the stuff on social media or the family background.

Those above are damning enough.

Aimee has wholesale problem with the truth across their entire life. Aimee finds it offensive.

To everyone else with eyes and ears, its obvious that Aimee is deep in an all incompasing state of total denial of every part of Aimee's life.

I wonder if Aimee is actually physically capable of speaking the truth given what we know of the family. It isn't an excuse though, when you are seeking power - you have to take responsibility for your actions and be aware of your own failings and weaknesses.

Pilgrim Tucker @PilgrimTucker
Green Party External Coordinations Coordinator Matt Hawkins and then-party Chair Clare Phipps were told by former Equalities Spokesperson Aimee Challenor in November 2016 that her father – a Green activist – had been charged with sexual offences

But despite knowing about David Challenors offences Clare Phipps then supported Aimee Challenor's proposed amendment to prevent people convicted of very serious criminal offences from being summarily expelled from the party.

And Clare Phipps then also, despite knowing about Challenors offences, supported an injunction being taken out by David and Aimee Challenor to prevent a Green Party member criticising party policy on trans self id

Helen Joyce @HJJoyceEcon
After which Aimee Challenor not only put herself forward for deputy leader with her father as her election agent, but the pair shaped Green Party policy on trans issues and gender self-id. And created the TERF blocker to silence women concerned with their, and children's, safety

Oh Clare.
Aimee at least has fact that they came from such an appalling back ground that their ability to understand right and wrong was impaired, even if that doesn't absolve Aimee of responsibility.
Did your brain operate between the period 2016 and 2018?

Red

Would this usually be a "head wil roll" kind of admission in a political party ?

I can't understand why these two thought this information would help Aimee or themselves. It's like they are using a completely different lens to view the sequence of events, and their role in it, from everybody else.

Would this usually be a "head wil roll" kind of admission in a political party ?

Pre 2016, yes.
Since 2016 its been politically advantageous to lack common sense, brains, ability or any sense of being responsible for actions.

The Press Office weren't told. That statement is nothing more than sleight-of-hand spin

Matt Hawkins said to the Press Office that, if there was an enquiry about AC, he would take care of it.

In other words, his understanding was that it was nothing to worry about. There was no substance to it.

How did he get that impression?

I think I know the answer to that.

Since 2016 its been politically advantageous to lack common sense, brains, ability or any sense of being responsible for actions

Well we knew it was a bad year, but it seem like 2016 had one more casualty, that we failed to note at the time.

Has anyone posted this yet?

leftfootforward.org/2018/09/exclusive-green-party-figures-knew-equality-spokespersons-father-had-been-charged-with-sexual-offences/

Disclaimer - I know nothing about the leftfootforward site - and we all know there really are fake news websites out there. However, it names names, and shouldn't be impossible for other journalists to fact-check.

Whilst angry at the Green Party, we should not forget to be concerned at the criminal justice system - How is it possible that a man is charged with such evil crimes against a child- crimes which are almost always repeated -and they are given bail for 2 years? Just how is society meant to deal with this? Organisations involved with children and vulnerable adults are under a duty to treat a charge which hasn't yet been proven in court as a safeguarding issue, but how do other organisations cope with this limbo situation particularly when full details aren't known. He should not have been bailed. We're focusing on how he was allowed to be an agent,and influence policy and thinking in the Green Party which was appalling, but he was also able to interact in every other aspect of public life - and commit more abuse if he chose. I'm furious with the Green Party, but horrified by the decision to give him bail. Were there conditions for his bail, was he tagged, excluded from children's activities? Are there any lawyers on here able to comment on how this could happen considering how extreme the charges were?

horrified by the decision to give him bail. Were there conditions for his bail, was he tagged, excluded from children's activities

Other issues aside, I'd think that DC was bailed because DC is registered as TC's carer, iirc. Possibly even for their 2 children with special and complex needs who are younger than AC (lots of references to them tho' other sources say that those children are non-resident at that address)?

I've spent the day re-reading Orlando Figes' The Whisperers, which is all about how the Stalinist regime subjugated a whole country psychologically by creating a culture of WrongThink, show trials, and banishment.

It wasn't actually that much of a break from the past few days of reading these threads.

That's a fucking good point Ugggg.

Yes, a very good point.
What conditions did the CPS place on DC during that bail term? Who enforced them? Who checked?

What contact did he have with children/children's groups during the time he was actually waiting for trial?

Slowly, slowly, Green Party members emerge from the darkness, blinking in the light and begin to see the sense of

"Transwomen are Transwomen, not women. Their healthcare and other needs can be met without having to say that they are women"

And for the first time in her political career, Molly insistence that the views hurt people literally, are engaged with and not accepted.

twitter.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/1037242817482051584

They hedge, they qualify what they argue, they are polite and measured - but the shift is monumental. Bye Molly!

How to break a cult.

Force people to start thinking critically again.

It seems like there are Greens who weren't doing this, now doing it.

Just need to start cracking the lid on the LDs and Labour.

I’ve been worrying about that too. He certainly did everything to ensure contact with children in his activities, did this continue while he was on bail ?

I like Darren. Who is he? He has lots of followers.

Just need to start cracking the lid on the LDs and Labour.

Can't the LDs see the writing on the wall? They have got some potentially very unsavoury characters. And there are possible links with this lot too. I'd be doing some digging before it all comes out...

.... and some men in the Green Party have just read Jonny Best In Medium.com. One tweeted:

Busy day on social media. I've had robust challenges to my views on gender. But no-one has told me to die in a fire, vowed to beat me up, called me a TERF or threatened to rape me. It's almost like I'm a 6'2" bloke rather than a 60 year-old feminist lesbian.

Well done to the person who sent the link to the article.

Looks like it's Graham Linehan.

Oh Graham, you did it again

@certainhalfdesertedstreets

Darren Johnson retired as a Green party member on the London Assembly. A councillor for Lewisham. Former candidate for London Mayor.

Can't the LDs see the writing on the wall? They have got some potentially very unsavoury characters. And there are possible links with this lot too. I'd be doing some digging before it all comes out...

Oh it'll be a car crash.

Ironically I think there are a lot of members - particularly long term ones - for whom trans rights issues aren't even on the radar and they will be horrified by the whole thing.

There's a particularly high percentage of scientist / educator types in the LDs for whom evidence based stuff trumps feeling and identity.

When the grassroots hits the identity bullshit, it'll equally rip the party apart.

Leading LDs are going to end up with egg all over face. Cable was out parading with Sarah Brown this week in Cambridge just as the Green Party story has been kicking off. They have a local by election there coming up. And obviously this requires the attention of the party leader under the guise of an Exit from Brexit campaign.

Senior LDs know there is an issue too. They are just doing fuck all because they are trying to win the woke student vote back from Labour.

It will backfire as a strategy.

Thanks Pam

Cable was out parading with Sarah Brown this week in Cambridge just as the Green Party story has been kicking off.

If I were a politician I would stand a very very long way away from that one in particular...

Oh no Cable was stood next to Brown for a piece that was broadcast on the BBC main early evening news.

Hindsight always makes things look different. Though having foresight is generally a more useful ability.

This is an interesting thread

mobile.twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1037325918128271360

Apparently Aimee did tell the Green Party, back in 2016