Green Party thread 3

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Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread?pg=40

Will post links to AC's public statement and Caroline Lucas's appalling white wash job in a moment, but for me, Andrew Gilligan nails it yet again:
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

Oh sorry, just seen that info's already been posted

*TheOtherPamAyres:

And for the first time in her political career, Molly insistence that the views hurt people literally, are engaged with and not accepted.

That thread is a classic case of the mad 'we all live in the Garden of Eden, frolicking like children, in a pre-lapsarian state, where sexual difference (the evil knowledge of sexed bodies) does not exist' discourse finally hits an adult who hasn't been indoctrinated.

And the question has to be:

How the fuck did we get to a state where Molly's delusional thinking looks like being made into law?

And the second question:

What the hell are the general electorate - who by and large don't know this and haven't been indoctrinated going to say when they wake up and find out it's law?

You know, WTF????

Judging by the joy that has been Corbyn's response to the Novochik poisoning's, I would put money on Labour being last to wake up. ☹️

Hindsight always makes things look different. Though having foresight is generally a more useful ability

Beautifully put

If I were Vincent and I thought there was a photo of me with 'Sarah' I'd be going all Jason Statham to find and destroy it before the next inevitable scandal hits Transworld in approximately 7 parsecs.

Cat, Labour's is currently driven heavily by identity over policy. That's going to be harder to crack. The LDs have problems with it, but not to the same extent. The LDs also are only militant on trans rights and perhaps Brexit. Labour have far more points of conflict. Identity is one form of control to maintain order amongst the infighting.

But the small number of active LDs is a huge weakness. As is the structure of the party.

I think the LDs will run it close. The LGBT LD account definitely is more crackers than any of the Labour lot.

Every party has a high profile, high strung pet transwoman (except UK, but I don’t really count them as a proper party now).

The Tories have Tara Hewitt (arguably the worst of the lot) but they’ll close ranks and protect their privileged class without a second thought when all this collapses.

Labour have a huge membership and lots of quietly GC people in the grassroots (aggressive northern women? 👹) so could likely weather a post trans activist backlash ok - there is a lot riding on the motion at women’s conference/the potential court challenge on women only shortlists. Lily M doesn’t have nearly the reach Lily believes Lily has and neither of the two trans candidates were elected to the NEC.

WEP could get squished under this.

Plaid? Welsh women are pretty sensible so won’t accept nonsense and there seems to be a pretty active GC presence.

The Lib Dem’s could have some serious challenges ahead, AC seems to have some personal friendships with LDs and all that weirdness around Cambridge might’ve been seeping out further afield.

Plus whatever the actual fuck is going on at the NUS.

Better get popping some popcorn!

Good summary, Betty,

The Lib Dems need to be very careful, they are, after all, the party of Jeremy Thorpe and Cyril Smith. People still bring that up and think the party is too soft on sex scandal or are prepared to cover up abuse.

Instead idiots are running round Twitter declaring that Ian Huntley can be a woman if he wants and caring more about the fate of a political rival than either exploiting for their own party gain (cynical but normal) or making an assessment of whether there are risks in their own structure.

These activists seem to be far more interconnected and dedicated to pushing the same policy in all parties than they are to the party they supposedly represent and their members. I don't think most of them actually care which party they joined.

Abosulutely agree about these young activists all being connected across party lines. Molly, James something, L Madigan, AC et al. Here is another example - this guy, who is slagging off mumsnet, and repeatedly calling Women's place a hate group is friends with all of the above and states he used both AC and L Madigan's t*, f blockers.

And he says on his twitter bio that he writes policy for the Scottish Green Party but is also a LibDem candidate?? Possibly has flipped sides but just shows how readily they move from party to party.

mobile.twitter.com/TRISTANGRAYEDI

www.itv.com/news/channel/2017-06-09/jersey-man-fails-to-gain-scottish-lib-dem-seat/

The Lib Dems need to be very careful, they are, after all, the party of Jeremy Thorpe and Cyril Smith

And Lord Rennard

Possibly has flipped sides but just shows how readily they move from party to party.

It looks like they search for the soft underbelly of a party. The easy entry points, to avoid the usual slog from bottom to top of a hierarchy. With foot in door they waggle the identity points and the party's eyes light up thinking "ohhhh ! youth vote!" Pushing people up the ranks with no thought to merit, ability or suitability follows.

I don't get the impression they care much which party they make it in, just push at various weak spots at the entry point til one gives way and they are in and going up in the Identity Fast Track Elevator.

Doesn't give you much faith in TPTB and wannabe PTB that they create and facilitate the mechanisms for this. if they can't see the pitfalls of self serving lip service in their own party, how can they be trusted to run a country ?

And I mean any of them. Ukip imploded in part due to the paucity, low merit and rank unsuitability of its own talent. Winston wotshisface got his profile raised well beyond his abilities because of identity points. And promptly exploded in his party's face.

Were the other parties thinking they had some kind of special immunity when doing much the same thing ? Or do they think they can do the same thing and have different outcomes ?

Twats.

It's like being on a ship heading for various massive icebergs while all the officers are all on the bridge busily playing Top Trumps with their Special Snowflake collections.

Their first and only loyalty is to Stonewall.

That'll come out, if this all collapses.

Whatevszz

I thought I recognised TG! He did, indeed, stand for LD in last election. I know people do switch parties, but generally not as often as they change socks. These people have no real principles or commitment.

It's like being on a ship heading for various massive icebergs while all the officers are all on the bridge busily playing Top Trumps with their Special Snowflake collections.

Well said, Cesira.

And the trouble is, those who having been louding mouthing the TWAW mantra, are going to be reluctant to do the required volte face now

Their first and only loyalty is to Stonewall.

That'll come out, if this all collapses.

This.

Their first and only loyalty is to Stonewall.

That'll come out, if this all collapses.

Amy Challenor has made clear their ongoing role as part of Stonewall's Trans-Advisory Comitttee.

Stonewall are run training programs for teachers throughout the UK, provide resources for schools and accreditation.

They too have questions to answer.

www.stonewall.org.uk/get-involved/get-involved-education/local-authorities/tackling-homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic

Stonewall Trans-Advisory group: www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

Sarah Brown (former Cambridge Councillor, LGBT+ Liberal Democrats executive )

See recent threads about Ann Sinncott who resigned from Cambridge City Council last month over their failings to apply Equalities Act 2010 single-sex legislation.

Sarah Brown's role in modifying the Equality Act legislation for CCC policy (p 12 in thread):
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3322389-labour-councillor-quits-in-row-over-facilities-for-trans-people-the-times

Stonewall work in schools directly with children as well as adults I believe. Surely safeguarding should be a high priority for them so how on earth they square this with having a member who is an advisor yet has used a known paedophile to support their political career?
Some of Stonewall's LGB / bullying materials are really good. How can they jeopardise this work by ignoring safeguarding in this way?

I thought I'd have a little look at Tristan.

Last November her was still a LD and signatory to this letter which called on the party to have better procedure in place for sexual harassment in wake of Lord Rennard.

medium.com/@AprilPreston_/an-open-letter-to-vince-cable-sal-brinton-b8bf3638d074

Tristan might like to reflect on this bit:
The platform Lord Rennard continues to enjoy is an example of male privilege and power, and it goes against the good intentions and hard work being made by our party to address gender and imbalances of power.

The perception that these issues are still not being taken seriously enough has the direct consequence of preventing women and victims of abuse and harassment from coming forward.

He pops up in May - saying he's able to post under his own name again - and says a good deal about repeal the 8th - especially with regard to women having bodily autonomy and a say in their own future. All good. Except, hang on. That say is fine as long as men like Tristan say so, otherwise we have a problem. Here is is getting upset that women call themselves feminists for standing up for women when everyone can see that the real heroes are the blokes standing up for, um, blokes:
mobile.twitter.com/tristangrayedi/status/1036727628005289984

He also says this
mobile.twitter.com/tristangrayedi/status/1036709338725974019
A learning process where the real lesson of A.C. and greens is that the party that actively shielded a trans member and dad was too transphobic not that they ignored pesky women and girls.

And even as he tweets comments like this
mobile.twitter.com/tristangrayedi/status/1036373876060704769
along with the usual ones about MN being a hate group and unquestioning belief in the Nazi razor blade story he has the gall to say:
mobile.twitter.com/tristangrayedi/status/1036376507306975232

Yes, it is possible to stand against transphobia - where it means irrational hatred of people with genuine dysphoria - and misogyny. But not if you believe that appalling misogyny and homophobia is justified when it comes from TRAs and their supporters.

Think Edinburgh LD dodged a bullet with this one!

Ooooh - I forgot the SNP and their non-binary charmer, Gregor.

The Tories have Tara Hewitt (arguably the worst of the lot) but they’ll close ranks and protect their privileged class without a second thought when all this collapses.

Also Sue Pascoe

Sue Pascoe was recently appointed Channel 4 inclusion adviser & is a Mesmac Yorks trustee.

Sue Pascoe has talked about her intention to run as a Conservative MP.
recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

Also Christine Burns who was an early member of Press For Change and very influential is also Conservative.
Interviewed by The Guardian 2013:
"In the 90s, when she was chair of the Women's Supper Club of the local Conservative party association in Cheshire, she quietly joined Press for Change. Even then, the new activists dared not be openly trans. "The thing that held us back in the 1990s campaigning was that fear of being out," admits Burns. Eventually, she came out in 1995; she jokes that she realised she was more embarrassed to be a member of the Conservative party than openly transsexual.

Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press". (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

Yep, the Tories are deffo winning the Top Trumps TRA game!

It won’t explode on them though, they’ll just take out a load of court injunctions and people will quietly disappear.

The Lib Dems are next first powder keg to go. I reckon.

When’s that Cambridge by election?

Its a cross-party issue. Surely the focus should be on those who have lobbied, exerted influence etc.

mirandayardley.com/en/ma-vie-en-rose-ruth-hunts-rose-tinted-transgoggles-and-the-anti-woman-politics-of-stonewall/