Green Party thread 3

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Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread?pg=40

Will post links to AC's public statement and Caroline Lucas's appalling white wash job in a moment, but for me, Andrew Gilligan nails it yet again:
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

@CesiraAndEnrico Are the messages around this time-stamp what you are looking for? Pg 22 of this thread

BobHolness Mon 03-Sep-18 16:31:53 wrote: The amendment removing the power of summary expulsion of members convicted of serious crimes passed. The other 2 fell.

OK, sorry. Am dead tired and evidently skim reading not my forte.

Heartfelt apologies Dr. Jones !

So we don't know who actually put CL on the blocker ? Crap. No name means no link and I can't just randomly stick on the web.

ta mucho arran that helpsmloads

The State of The Green Party in 2018

As the Terfblocker is a Green Party approved vehicle, we can only assessment that someone from the Green Party.

Perhaps if they could come forward and let us know who is currently running it, that would be fab.

Because if you are running a political party approved vehicle, why would you be ashamed of claiming it as yours?

Unless...oh hang on...it really is libelous.

James Kirkup has published an article on CL getting terfblocked

Who is the Molly individual who is Adam's partner in fuck-wittery and "science" from the school of "fossils were God's little joke"?

Have these people had the benefit of further education or were they recruited from an isolated religious community somewhere in the Midwest in 1957?

Anyway, Molly and Adam?

Please tell me they don't actually do anything on policy. Please let them only be allowed supervised play with especial vigilance around the knife drawer.

Jane Clare Jones posted loads of excellent comments on the philosophy blog that a user linked to recently.

I spent absolutely ages reading it on Friday. Will see if I can find it again...

Here we go, almost 300 comments, many of them excellent.

Deserves it own thread really, can’t remember where it was posted on here...

dailynous.com/2018/08/27/derogatory-language-philosophy-journal-hostility-discussion/

I thought that Twitter exchange was just one of the usual AGP mob gleefully getting through their morning Kleenex.

But it's people representing our fourth largest politic party?

Have I got that right?

Betty what a shocking response from de Sosa.

Yes - managing to be both mysoginist and anti Semitic in one analogy!

It gets repeatedly called out in the comments, mind you.

Red

That meme is thing of beauty. I hope it goes viral.

I've had a reply from the BBC to my complaint about their lack of coverage on this issue. It basically says they can't respond to me within their own time limit. Anyone else had this?

This is an update to let you know that we had referred your complaint to the relevant people and regret that it may take a little longer before we can reply. Please do not contact us in the meantime.

Although we reply to most complaints within 2 weeks we cannot achieve this every time. It depends on what your complaint was about and how many others we are handling, or may sometimes be due to more practical issues. For example a production team may already be working on another programme or have gone on location.

Chrysanthemum5

Translation: we are waiting until this is no longer current or newsworthy.

Yes that's what I thought! Come on BBC where are your standards!

I won't let it drop though

Can you imagine the Guardian, Huff Post et al if this scandal had been in UKIP?

Who is Molly

A 5 minute video in which Molly talks about herself, her motives, the GreenLBGT group, the laws that need changing for Trans liberation and so forth.

The sweet, ultra-feminine presentation is very much as odds with the language, disposition and kick-ass Molly that operates behind a keyboard. Molly appeals to those woke blokes who think feminists are ugly.

Chrysanthemum5

Might you also update the thread below with the BBC response etc?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

TheOtherPamAyres

Molly is anti-feminist.

3 decades ago, she would be in an explicitly (rather than implicitly) anti-feminist organisation.

Aw.

Molly is going to get such a shock when Molly realises that choosing neutral pronouns for oneself doesn’t actually create a magical sheild against misogyny.

You can’t identify out of biology, and your can’t identify out of oppression.

Soz.

But it buys you credit with men.

And men - boring, but true - still have more power than women.

And it works. It bought Molly a place in the UK's 4th largest political Party.

And you can believe Molly would, eventually, have been all over television, telling women that a feminism, built on an acknowledgement of sex-based inequality, was regressive, oppressive and reactionary.

As a feminist, I have a fair idea as to how Molly reached her psychological and political positions - and I'm sad for her.

But also as a feminist, I can see that Molly is a danger to women's rights.

@CesiraAndEnrico sorry am only just reading this thread
re links, there's lots of info on the Jess Bradley threads and links already established there.

The TELI links are a good starting point and their inaugural conference speakers noteworthy.

So, fluffy little Molly with her floaty skirt, flicky hair and sparkly headband doesn't see herself as a woman. Okaaaay...

The worst law that has ever existed, like ever? I dunno, a fair few, including hanging 12 year olds for stealing sheep or the ones connected to the slave trade.

But no! Spousal consent! That's way worse

And, actually, on an individual level, given that Molly is a perfect tool for men who openly fear women's equality and those who secretly (for some, a secret they keep even from themselves) fear women's equality, Molly may not ever experience the sex-based oppression so many women face.

Because she will have bought - through her, probably unconscious - betrayal, the patronage of fearful and angry men.

On an individual level, she buys exemptions from sex-based inequality.

Which means she will go right on acting as an unwitting - but powerful - tool.