What makes men angry with women?

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What makes men angry with women?

Is this article of any interest? Does it offer any incites?

goodmenproject.com/featured-content/hidden-reason-men-angry-women-over-nothing-chwm/

Thanks in advance if anyone reads it.

I do believe there are men who become violent when feeling inadequate, maybe exercising the only 'power' they feel they have, but I've gotta say I also find these pseudo-Freudian theories a bit far fetched at times.

Male dogs are generally more aggressive as are stallions and many other male mammals, and I think there is a strong link to testosterone, which has been shown in studies to influence the 'fight or flight' part of the brain and also to be prevalent in violent criminals.

But why do they even start to be angry towards women and girls?
You can say boys are told not to cry, be strong, don't show weakness
How does that then turn to anger towards women and girls?
How did it get to the point that girls have to be nice and if we're not then we're bitches, sluts etc
I can totally relate to being cat called if you don't react you're a lesbian, stuck up bitch
I was once punched in the face by a man because I laughed at him when he said "nice tits love"
How do men get to this point?
My son is 6 he's so innocent, loving and kind. I can't imagine him ever being that man

OkPedro "I was once punched in the face by a man because I laughed at him when he said "nice tits love". That's so awful, I'm so sorry.

AllDayBreakfast I can believe that male animals are more violent than females ones, still like to see the research on it. But is that violence usually directed against other males and is it normally in relation to mating?

If it is fighting off other male rivals, which I'm sure I've heard lots about from various wildlife documentaries, well that makes sense. And, although I would never condone that, it does happen in human males too.

However, I'm thinking specifically about male anger towards women and I don't know if male animals exhibit anger or violence towards females in the wild.

Thanks Italian it reinforces "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them"
I'm Irish and during our recent referendum to legalise abortion
My 10 year old daughter said "Why are men against women" (we were watching a debate where the panel were all men debating abortion) "don't they realise they all came from women"

If it is fighting off other male rivals, which I'm sure I've heard lots about from various wildlife documentaries, well that makes sense. And, although I would never condone that, it does happen in human males too.

But male animals fighting each other for territory or females to mate with is one thing. It's very uncommon for those males to turn on the females if their species. It makes no sense for males who want to breed and pass on their genetic inheritance to kill females of the species.

Some female animals fight to maintain territory (leopards for example), so it's not as if aggression is solely a male domain.

I've handled many entire male dogs, and their aggression levels towards other male dogs varies widely, same with stallions.

Rape is not unknown amongst primates, but even there the kinds of constant harassment that men inflict upon women are absent.

I'm not sure animal models tell us much about humans really.

I think it's the usual about how historically, pretty much ran everything (women being made pregnant frequently and the toll it took on their health etc) and then, through better healthcare and the pill (in the West) women were freed up to some extent and men didn't want to share???

But maybe it's all just Freudian....

"But male animals fighting each other for territory or females to mate with is one thing. It's very uncommon for those males to turn on the females if their species. It makes no sense for males who want to breed and pass on their genetic inheritance to kill females of the species."

Yes, I completely agree, that was the point I was trying to make, badly obviously.

"I'm not sure animal models tell us much about humans really." Well what they do tell us, from your examples DancelikeEmmaGoldman it seems to tell us that males violent and aggressive or angry behaviour towards human females is unlikely to have a majourly biological component.

tobee does that mean that men in cultures where there is even more control over females will have males who are less angry with women?

I'm not sure that stacks up.

Meant to say historically, men pretty much ran everything

Meant to say historically, men pretty much ran everything

Hmm, no it doesn't fully work. Just been wondering this too and formulating ideas. Maybe a whole collection of reasons?

I think men don't think about it because why should they? It's women who've got something to fear from men.

But then maybe men in cultures where they have more power don't fear women in the here and now but what they might become? So keep them on there place. Similar mentality to colonialists keeping the natives down?

• in their place

Whendowebegin I agree that some men categorise us as cold and aloof if we don’t run around after them. They do not cope well with women who do not conform to their expectations of women being less able and more domestic.
The issues I found with my ex were that he liked my house but deeply resented that I owned it. And that I earned more than him. He was angry that I had a degree when he didn’t and when, on maternity leave, I started running to lose baby weight, he hated that I could run further than him.
He didn’t try to study for a degree or get a better job or get fit himself, and I didn’t expect him to, but he resented me for doing so. After five years he ended up resenting me for being the person he had fallen for in the first place.

Yes but what's the root cause of that reaction in the first place, Senior?

Seniorschoolmum how sad.

"I'm not sure animal models tell us much about humans really." Well what they do tell us, from your examples DancelikeEmmaGoldman it seems to tell us that males violent and aggressive or angry behaviour towards human females is unlikely to have a majourly biological component.

I think you're right. Animals tend to be pragmatic, they do what is needed to survive; they tend not to waste precious energy on pointless risks.

I have no idea what drives men; but there's clearly something very wrong. Maybe it is a vital psychological wound; maybe it's absent fathers; maybe it's toxic culture.

Perhaps we should be asking what a good man looks like and how they come to be?

I liked that article and it goes some way to explain this phenomenon I keep witnessing of women being invisible to many men - it never enters these men's minds to consult, nor do they recognise, women as the same species.

I also think that many men are highly unsuited to any leadership roles because of this one-eyed view. It's like they only have an ability to focus on one thing at once and it's whatever benefits them most. It's not an attribute but a liability in many circumstances where a holistic view is needed to assess a situation along with an ability to listen to all perspectives. Hence these guys literally can't see the wood for the trees and won't change their view no matter what evidence they are faced with. There's now some research starting to highlight this #blindtowomen

Sorry can't sleep (backache) so keep thinking about this!

Sex. Heterosexual men are made to feel powerless by the desire they have for women. (and also the need to procreate). This was taken to a new level by Christianity. If you're an atheist, like me, is a patriarchal construct which uses the concept of shame for men's sexuality, with Eve being to blame for the ills of the world by tempting Adam. And the women in Jesus's life being Mary the Virgin being his mother and unsullied by sex and Mary Magdalene the prostitute. Even if people are not Christians, Christianity has been historically dominant in society in this and many other countries that this view of women has been further underlined.

Tobee I think you’re right in that the initial fear that men developed for women was fear of their sexuality and the power it had over them.

So they tried to tame it. And resented it at the same time.

In my younger more attractive days I would occasionally be blown away by the seething hatred from guys who I’d rejected.

The idea still remains amongst men that women have an easier time of procuring sex whenever they want and that this is a kind of power they can use to manipulate. Hell that trope is all over films and tv shows.

But they are always only focusing on young good looking women, forgetting the rest and the older woman with sexual desire is ridiculed.

But they are always only focusing on young good looking women, forgetting the rest and the older woman with sexual desire is ridiculed.

Perhaps if they were less focused on sex and saw women as people...

Ha ha! If only ItIsOK if only!

tobee I don't think any one religion is responsible for men's attitudes.

I also think in some parts of the world Christianity is actually quite a progressive choice of religion, and can value women to some extent.

I am a Christian so maybe my views are tainted. But there are quite striking aspects of other main world religions that show Christianity is not the worst offender in terms of keeping women down, plus it is only 2,000 years old and women have been oppressed like forever!

tobee. It seemed to be a need to compete and be “top dog”. I couldn’t change my education or my skill set, they were pre-existing. I suppose I could have not run, but to avoid staying healthy, just to make him feel better is absurd.

In the end I think it was his inaccurate perception of pecking order. I think he felt threatened by those aspects of my life even though they had no bearing on our life.

As OP said, it was sad, because we were otherwise well suited and now we live apart we get on well.

I think everyone in this thread has it pretty much covered.
I remember Andrea Dworkin describing the 3 different kinds of sexism.

1. The 'women superior' model, where women are divine goddesses of fertility, beauty, virtue, etc on a pedestal. It's confining and is justification for limiting our activities and stifling our right to get out and live vitally - to be flesh and blood flawed people.

1. The 'different but equal' model. Where women are 'naturally suited' to their gender role and of course scrubbing toilets is equally valuable as running the company, one is not better than the other. Harmony is created by everyone sticking to what they are 'naturally best at'.

1. The 'women inferior' model, where women are dirty, evil, manipulative temptresses, too stupid and inept to be considered for positions of visibility and influence.

Mapping the hatred is illusive because it keeps darting between these three models when you think of any real life situation you experience as a woman.