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Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 11:12

Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

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TerfsUp · 27/08/2018 16:43

A TRA is an MRA in a frock.

(With apologies to a certain TRA who seems to have gone the long hair and trousers route.)

BettyDuMonde · 27/08/2018 16:48

I grew up next door to a paedophile. In a 1950s built council semi. The walls weren’t very thick, as I am sure you can imagine.

The council had previously let the house to said paedos mum, and as was the case back then, her two grown up sons had taken on the tenancy jointly on her death.

Not long after, son 1 went to jail and son two lived there alone, then with a partner, and when the partner left, alone with the son fr9m the relationship.

When son 1 came up for parole, the fact he had a stable home to return to was considered favourable (I hope to god you wouldn’t send a paedo home to live with a single dad and his son these days?).

Son 2 was horrified, and set about breeze-blocking the house into two halves (the front rooms were modern 50s L shapes, with two doors from kitchen to living room and a downstairs loo, would’ve been much harder in a terrace!) and son 1 got the part of the house that included the bedroom that was affixed to our semi, most notably, son 1’s bedroom and my parents bedroom. This was the second biggest bedroom in the house and it’s only recently that I have realised that my mum likely choose not to occupy the master bedroom precisely so neither of her daughter’s were in the room that attached to a paedos bedroom... but I digress.

Anyway, everyone in our village knew. The only real safeguarding that I am aware of existing in the 70s and 80s is the protections created by women talking. My parents were not too worried about us (everyone knew that Son 1 was interested in pubescent boys, not prepubescent girls like us) but my mum, a dinner lady at the local primary school, used to watch that door like a hawk.

Whenever voices were heard in son 1’s bedroom, we were sent in with kazoos and tambourines and this shaky-noise-maker-thing a great aunt had bought back from Tunisia.
My mum wanted him to know that she could hear him

Despite the best efforts of the women of the village, he did indeed reoffend and go back to jail. This time son 2 was promised he would he would not have to have him back (the victim lived in the village) and the breeze blocks were taken down. Son 2’s son was not victimised by his paedo uncle, and son 2 should probably take quite some pride in the lengths he went to to keep his boy safe from his brother.

I share this story now for a couple of reasons - 1) two adult men from the same marriage grew up in the same environment and only one went on to victimise children. There is no way for any of us to surmise correctly as to whether any of the Challoner family are victims of their despicable husband/father, nor whether being victims has given them the potential to be abusers themselves. Thus we can only judge AC on AC’s actions - and arguing (politically, publicly) for the removals of norms that contribute to the removal of current safeguarding practice is one of AC’s adult actions and
2) If anyone wants to insult me for being concerned about the safeguarding of women and girls, I will think of my (late) mum, and her kazoo/tambourine/loud Tunisian souvenir and make as much noise as I can to let them know that we can hear them.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 27/08/2018 16:53

That's a great post Betty.

Women warning each other about dodgy men is something that goes on all the time...
And men in general do not like it when women talk. They call us gossips, and old maids, and take the piss. It's becasue they are scared, right, they are all scared that we migth be talking about them in a less than favourable light, even the ones who are fine and normal are suspicius of what might be said when women are alone.

It's why so many men hate mumsnet.

We need to keep talking. Why are women always the ones who it falls to, to protect children? Why aren't more men interested in this? It's like the whole "bros before hos" thing but they include kids in that as well really a lot of the time. A man's business is his own type stuff.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/08/2018 16:57

If anyone wants to insult me for being concerned about the safeguarding of women and girls, I will think of my (late) mum, and her kazoo/tambourine/loud Tunisian souvenir and make as much noise as I can to let them know that we can hear them.

And so will I. On a site full of mothers we won't be the only ones.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/08/2018 17:00

A man's business is his own type stuff.

It would be both fascinating and depressing to put together a catalogue of the almost infinite number of cases of abuse of women and children that have been downplayed and swept under the rug using that excuse.

When a man's first instinct in a case where another man is accused of being a predator is to minimize, deny, and attempt to shift the blame my first though it always "what have you done that you're hoping people will never find out about?"

Sarahconnor1 · 27/08/2018 17:03

So my wondering around the world of Twitter has led me to conclude the green party is (with one exception) a cesspit of misogyny.

I also saw this David/Baloo supported the #stand with mermaids open letter, www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/aimee-challenor/trans-community-comes-tog_b_12714270.html
David's name is at the bottom of the second image.

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Sarahconnor1 · 27/08/2018 17:07

Also did Aimee introduce David to Caroline Russell London assembly member in March last year? Clearly Caroline had no idea what was going on.

There is so much the greens need to investigate in this case.

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placemats · 27/08/2018 17:14

I can't talk about the reasons why I know about paedophilia.

Anyway these threads are not about me. I understand people's need to talk. It's an horrific case. Flowers to all of you who have been affected.

The threads are about the discussion around why David/Baloo Challenor, convicted paedophile and child rapist was allowed to continue to do what he did within his family, the local community and the Green Party (including conferences) despite being on bail for a serious accusation.

Sarah,

Great post. Thanks.

OrchidInTheSun · 27/08/2018 17:19

David Challenor is quite mouthy about gender based rights and protections.

theOtherPamAyres · 27/08/2018 17:21

There is another Elephant in the Room when it comes to the Green Party's promotion of Mens' Rights over women's bodies.

Their policy on prostituted women. Or, in Green party speak: stunning, entrepreneurial and fabulously independent sex workers.

You couldn't help but notice that advocates for "legalisation" were odd. I think that the handmaidens and page-boys got a kick out of holding placards like "Blow Jobs Are Real Jobs".

As for those who had been prostiuted - peel off a couple of layers and you found disturbing details and histories. I got the feeling that political activism was a form of a therapy for them.

Let's not forget that Jess Bradley had a short career renting out his body to men, according to one of his articles. We now know that Jess came from a very dark place.

A political party ought not to enable such personalities to steer its policy. Consult them, by all means - but also recognise their vulnerability and neediness.

arranfan · 27/08/2018 17:23

From Cesira Independent link: On reflection, I can understand that it was unacceptable for me to appoint my dad as my election agent when he had been arrested.

On reflection. Who'd have thought it.

If only somebody holding a senior position in a political party of some national importance had thought to run this decision by some friends and colleagues. Or even the Police Chiefs and gatherings to which they were speaking. Perhaps even during a Woman's Hour interview on a topic where this might have been relevant.

Maybe it was unacceptable to treat local party members in the ways that have been reported, perhaps?

placemats · 27/08/2018 17:33

Aimee Challenor's video on youtube regarding the nomination for deputy leader of the Green Party.

Note: Aimee was nominated.

Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 17:40

According to this Tweet, Aimee knew.

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CesiraAndEnrico · 27/08/2018 17:45

On reflection. Who'd have thought it

Well "on reflection" has the befitting gravitas for a high profile, political figure, certainly when compared to...

"I decided to gamble on a not guilty verdict, with the Green Party's reputation/future as one of my higher value chips. Soz chaps and non-chaps, give me another chance sometime soon, and I'll win it back +interest next time. Promise !"

NothingOnTellyAgain · 27/08/2018 17:47

Well of course they did.

They'd have been interviewed and everything, about what they'd seen in the house, dad's behaviour, all sorts.

I mean it's obvious.

It's like Trump with these people - they just state their "truth" and expect everyone to go along with it Confused

carceralfeminist · 27/08/2018 17:54

When a man's first instinct in a case where another man is accused of being a predator is to minimize, deny, and attempt to shift the blame my first though it always "what have you done that you're hoping people will never find out about?"

This.

According to this Tweet, Aimee knew.

I cannot even pretend to be surprised.

Popchyk · 27/08/2018 17:55

The dates on that screenshot look correct, Destiny.

DC did have a pre-trial hearing on 09/10/2017 and on 12/10/2017.

It would fit that his wife was talking on Facebook about it later that same day, probably hoping to prejudice the trial so that the trial would not go ahead.

CesiraAndEnrico · 27/08/2018 18:01

Aimee Challenor's video on youtube regarding the nomination for deputy leader of the Green Party.

God that was painful to watch.

AMALFI

Sorry to yell, watch the video placemats' has found. Just grit your teeth and push through all the superb production values. AC was a mover and shaker on the global green stage according to the vid. So possibly has had fingers of influence in our Green Pie Pizza? Do ours get out there and mingle with the other Greens as far as you know ?

It's a bad day when you start to feel even a teeny little bit grateful you live in Lega-Land where no Green has ever grown.

placemats · 27/08/2018 18:13

I think it displays clearly the vulnerability of Aimee Challenor. Clearly out of their depth. For the Guardian to describe Aimee as a 'rising star' is disgraceful.

I agree with Lisa Muggeridge on this. She made a video too about the vulnerability of these young adults. 'Passengers not the drivers'.

carceralfeminist · 27/08/2018 18:14

Does anyone else find AC's video weirdly similar to a person called Scarlett's?

CesiraAndEnrico · 27/08/2018 18:24

It would fit that his wife was talking on Facebook about it later that same day, probably hoping to prejudice the trial so that the trial would not go ahead.

Were there no other Greens in her friends ?

I have loads of friends on FB that aren't actually friends. Just people I know via shared interests, or work. If she was on FB talking about the trial well before it happened, I'm surprised that the news didn't trickle back to the party. At least via the gossipy grapevine of mutual Green friend chatting to somebody else's mutual Green friend. Until somebody went "we need to give somebody with some authority in the party a heads up"

BoreOfWhabylon · 27/08/2018 18:29

I saw the tweet identifying DC's victim. In time-honoured Mumsnet fashion, I called 101 to log my concerns.

Less than 30 minutes later, a detective from a specialist child abuse unit called me back. They are taking it very seriously.

If anyone else sees anything of this nature, I suggest you take screenshots and do the same.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 27/08/2018 18:31

Good & thank you so much for doing that Bore.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 27/08/2018 18:32

I just can't get over the idea that anyone would see it as alright to name the victim of these crimes.

Anyone who does that has got something wrong with them I would say or are a similar type of criminal themselves.

Foxglovesandprimroses · 27/08/2018 18:36

Goodness me, Scarlett's unintentionally hilarious.

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