Green Party statement continuation thread

[Destinysdaughter]

Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

And you're all bigots and terfs for saying so.

Bullocks to that. How did she put it...? And if you’re on twitter calling women fascists for pointing this out, then I will just assume you have sinister motives.

That felt good.

haXXor

I'm standing for her and wish her well in her future adult life, free from the fear that a safe space for her is going to be respected.

placemats yes and the bitter irony is that mainstream Irish liberals attacking the Pope's visit and rightly saying good riddance to the Catholic church - they're the most uncritical cheerleaders of the transborg and its blind faith. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.

isn't not is.

I've just been sent a copy of a dm on Twitter from a friend, the gist is

The tweet doxxing the victim was nothing more than speculation and my friend (having reported it to the police) gave credibility to that speculation and it was actually my friend who doxxed the victim

What the actual fuck? I don't know whether to laugh cry or start a crowd funder for psychological help for these people

Has anybody seen Jenny Jones's twitter? She is a member of the House of Lords for the Greens and she is tweeting about 'faux outrage' and muting 'know it alls'. I'm pretty shocked tbh, the total unprofessionalism and contempt for those concerned about this.

It is Pachyderm. But I think it's woken people up to woke.

Or did Coventry GP know, but think it was OK? Or was Coventry GP run by the Challoners?

The membership of the Green Party is 40,000. There is 650 constituencies in the country. That makes an average of 61 members per constituency if evenly distributed. Which it won't be.

This means that some local parties literally can just be one or two people, because many members will just be card holders rather than active members.

This dynamic is true of all parties in some areas.

This immediately shows up a weakness in politics nationally, if the central party fails to double check backgrounds of candidates. Arguably, all major parties should be committed to doing so as a matter of routine and course. (Wanna bet this is what an independent investigation will say?)

In the case of the greens they have in recent years been following a policy to try and stand a candidate for as many constituencies as possible.

Obviously this has a very easy potential to hit a 'quality control issue' with a low membership number. Yet there will be a pressure to stand someone, in order to have a national presence and to help the party's claim to be a serious party.

The issue is that few members, then fewer active members and then even fewer members who are remotely willing to actually stand across the board.

I stress here, this isn't a problem restricted to the Greens. All the major parties have had issues with 'dubious' candidates to a greater or lesser extent in the last eighteen months.

We need good quality candidates for all parties. Sadly decent people have been really turning their backs on the shit show of politics as they don't want the grief.

If the other thread will not be reinstated as this one stands and despite multiple threads existing about the same subject in other areas..... how about starting one that specifically centres on the safe guarding issues raised by the arrest of the father of a prominent GP member? Then the useful info can be out there again. Maybe MN could edit the title of the removed thread so it's clear the intent is not to discuss Aimees lack of judgement, and reinstate the thread.

Party memberships within the UK

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05125

What is shocking is that in a country that has a population of over 60 million people the total number of memberships doesn't reach 1 million, with Labour being streets ahead.

As of January 2018, Labour had 552,000 members, compared to 124,000 Conservative members reported in March 2018. As of April 2018, SNP had 118,000, Liberal Democrats 101,000, Green Party 41,000, UKIP 21,000 and Plaid Cymru 8,000 members. Party membership has risen notably since 2013, both in total and as a percentage of the electorate.

Opps that was in response to you Red

Good post.

There has been stuff recently that suggests that Conservative party is either giving away free membership or is deliberately trying to inflate their membership number. Its been suggested their membership might actually now be closer to 60,000 than 120,000.

Once again, a pattern of concentration of power into small unaccountable groups, contributing to wider problems in politics and the emergence of extremist politics.

Just informed the Coventry commercisl radio station of what's going on. Hopefully they'd like to catch a march on the BBC and will pick it up.

On the Resignation' thread, a poster has suggested that Aimee is still responsible for Co-ordinating the Green Party response to the GRA.

That seems to involve collecting (and organising) individual Green Party members' responses to the GRA consultation?

CAN THAT BE TRUE?

Apparently, she has been involved in designing a draft response, which members just add their name to and send.

CAN THAT BE TRUE?

Someone who has demonstrated questionable judgment vis a vis boundaries is HEAVILY involved in influencing responses to the GRA consultation ?

If this is true - both in the past AND in an ongoing capacity

-the committee organising the GRA consultation needs to be made aware

And

-the Green Party need to be told This is Not Appropriate.

Thanks @redtoothbrush for explaining the dynamics of small local parties. It's not far-fetched to think that the Challoners WERE Coventry Green Party, then?

The Green Party cannot pretend that they never knew there was a problem, or that the root cause of disaffection lay with Challoner, Womack, Bartley, Berry and Lucas. The klaxon sounded when women left in their droves between 2016 -2017.

An independent investigation is just a way of kicking a PR disaster down the road for a while. It won't work.

Is there an angle we can push this at that Nick Ferrari bloke on LBC? He’s not my cup of tea, but he was completely on board with the sticker woman and self ID stuff last week. It might be a bit unsavoury for morning radio, so it would have to be something palatable.

*Has anybody seen Jenny Jones's twitter? She is a member of the House of Lords for the Greens and she is tweeting about 'faux outrage' and muting 'know it alls'.

That is absolutely outrageous.

Look at her response to someone questioning the comment underneath. What a fucking disgrace.

mobile.twitter.com/GreenJennyJones/status/1034459885939957761

And we're not allowed to suggest that Aimee might be a traumatised individual - because THAT raises all sorts of judgment & oversight questions for the GP, as well as being a bit too close to an anti-Trans position.

What's ironic is that "I too was a victim, and that's why I didn't understand that having my father involved in my political career was wrong" is the position that might save Aimee's political career, but the official TRA stance on reasons for transition makes it very unlikely that Aimee will take that position.

RE the (pathetic) coverage from The Guardian and the BBC, they were the ones who anointed Aimee as a rising star and who've been largely responsibly for whatever public profile Aimee does have, so it's not surprising that they're resentful of anything that might undermine that narrative or suggest that they made errors of judgement. Disappointing, but not surprising.

What's ironic is that "I too was a victim, and that's why I didn't understand that having my father involved in my political career was wrong" is the position that might save Aimee's political career

Agreed - it would seem more like the act of a statesperson-in-waiting.

I'm very disappointed that nobody that chaired a committee or enquiry to which AC submitted evidence has issued a statement that they are responding to recent news by reviewing their findings to assess whether their outcomes depended upon submissions by AC or JB.

I am utterly disgusted. I was a Green Party member until they started all that non-men bullshit. They outed themselves then as the Misogynist Party, now it turns out they are the Paedophile Toleration Party. I feel contaminated by association

Their response both formally and informally has been disgraceful. I'm particularly upset by the reactions of Caroline Lucas and Jenny Jones, but only because I used to respect them

This is a great thread

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1034077966744084480

Having supporters say things like "The bitch (ie the victim) will pay dearly for what she has done I'll see to that" and not immediately stepping in to ask them to stop is not exactly statesmanlike.

I agree that it would be difficult for the Greens to just throw Aimee out in that there would be a TRA backlash, but it'e either that or be publicly associated with ongoing appalling behavior from people who are very publicly associating themselves with Aimee (and not being asked to stop doing so).

It used to be the case that I was sympathetic to a lot of aims the Green Party has and only wouldn't have voted for them because it would be a wasted vote since they haven't a chance in hell of getting into power. The latter is still a reason not to vote for them, but I have lots of new reasons now.