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Green Party statement continuation thread

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Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 11:12

Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

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Popchyk · 28/08/2018 17:53

That Coventry Pride statement raises more questions than it answers.

So Coventry Pride were made aware of the charges in November 2016. And took action.

Meanwhile, the Green Party were not made aware ever.

Question is how were Coventry Pride made aware of the charges? Who told them?

Which other organisations were told about DC? And by whom?

Why were some organisations made aware and not others?

thecatfromjapan · 28/08/2018 17:55

Sturdy So glad you found that email exchange! That's just what I was thinking of!

BraveAndStunning · 28/08/2018 17:55

Ugh

twitter.com/ZewoHewo/status/1034377725408993280

gendercritter · 28/08/2018 17:57

I think now would be a great time for a lot of parents to write again to GG and ask them how they are keeping their guides safe in light of what's happened.

RedToothBrush · 28/08/2018 17:58

Coventry Pride are more professional, accountable and have better safeguarding protocol than the Green Party.

Let me repeat

Coventry Pride are more professional, accountable and have better safeguarding protocol than the Green Party.

This comes back to personal relationships (which might have been with someone OTHER than Aimee - indeed it MUST be), being thought of as more important than safeguarding protocols.

Individuals OTHER than Aimee surely MUST have been aware of the charges, but didn't challenge or question things.

SturdyEarmuffs · 28/08/2018 17:59

gender, my daughters guide unit starts back mid sept, and this is the 1st thing I'll be speaking to them about. DD has been invited to a big camp & I'll be looking for answers on safeguarding & risk assessments etc.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 28/08/2018 18:00

Popchyk my thoughts too re the Coventry Pride statement.

CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 18:00

Can confirm that charged rapist & paedophile David Challenor was at Green Party conference in 2017.

www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/conference/autumn2017/final-agenda-online-version.pdf

Under the false name of 'Baloo'.

Because in Green totally-fucked-in-the-head woke land it's important not to dead name transbears, etc.

Because that's the most important thing in the world. Protecting the new identity of charged paedophile/rapists.

OrchidInTheSun · 28/08/2018 18:02

Is it my imagination or is he wearing fake tits in that photo?

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 28/08/2018 18:02

transbears!, genius! Sorry, this is a terrible and tragic situation but sometimes a bit of light relief is just the thing to bring my blood pressure back down.

OrchidInTheSun · 28/08/2018 18:10

I see that Aimee is in charge of publications. And that the Greens really don't appear to give a shit about women

Popchyk · 28/08/2018 18:11

Wait. This has got my spidey sense tingling.

From Sturdy's screenshot. "What are we supposed to do when someone gives us a fake name?"

Does this mean that the Green Party would have prevented DC from attending London Pride as a Green LGBT photographer in 2017 if they had known it was him?

If so, why? Why would the GP have prevented him from being the photographer if he used his real name?

Because they knew about the charges maybe?

raisinsraisins · 28/08/2018 18:17

I just tried to find the story on the BBC website and eventually found it using google. The BBC home page has stories like “Is it ok to paint your nails on a train?”!

The story as reported does not convey his horrific actions at all. I just don’t understand why the BBC doesn’t want to report on this?

heresyandwitchcraft · 28/08/2018 18:18

If Coventry Pride knew, 2 years ago.
There is NO excuse.

Ereshkigal · 28/08/2018 18:21

If so, why? Why would the GP have prevented him from being the photographer if he used his real name?

Yes I thought that too. Curiouser and curiouser.

LangCleg · 28/08/2018 18:21

Coventry Pride are more professional, accountable and have better safeguarding protocol than the Green Party.

Yes. Green Party, take note: that is a proper statement.

Safeguarding matters. You've got activists saying that safeguarding should be dropped because a transbear would never be a paedophile who raped and tortured a child and their dead name might kill them. Call yourself a political party?

raisinsraisins · 28/08/2018 18:21

That’s rubbish about the fake name. All trans people use a (fake) new name. Are these all checked to see if names have been changed officially through the right channels?

Destinysdaughter · 28/08/2018 18:22

Very angry and eloquent blogpost here, saying what most of us are thinking right now! Angry

angrybirdroar.wordpress.com/2018/08/28/so-its-happened/

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IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 28/08/2018 18:23

Hi everyone, we were straying into the realms of speculation again, so we are making some deletions on the thread to bring the tone more in line with the spirit of MN.

Hi @HopeMumsnet

Does that include the speculation by @MichaelMumsnet when he gaslit everyone about the behaviour on the previous thread? As that speculation is still up.

As in:

Hi all,
We're not issuing strikes - we're trying to host a conversation about an important story. Of course you can talk about David Challenor and the Green Party statement - this is in the public domain and I'm sure more details will be reported tomorrow - but we'd ask you to be extra careful when discussing family members or attempting to piece together any information that might identify the victim.

Destinysdaughter · 28/08/2018 18:24

From above blogpost:

*For years women have been warning that the trans movement has been hijacked by women hating types, some of which are clearly not safe to be around children. Yet our fears were constantly twisted to make out we were attacking ALL trans people and lumping them all together in a box labelled perverts. But in reality the opposite was true – we were saying that trans means a lot of things these days and taking away checks and balances meant that the very worst men could use self id as a Trojan horse to enable them to access vulnerable women and children.

And guess fucking what? It’s happened. The very worst scenario has happened. A man, who identified as a young girl while raping and torturing a 10 year old had the ear of his trans identifying son, who campaigned to get rid of safeguards for children, specifically girl guides. A son who was the favourite to be the deputy leader of a major political party.

Yet when people on Twitter are saying “We told you this would happen. We knew it was a risk” men are jumping in accusing them of using the terrible abuse to further their “transphobic views”. The #notalltrans has been astounding and troubling to behold. And people saying that we shouldn’t be questioning a ‘vulnerable’ twenty year old – fuck you. If they are old enough to have a senior position in politics then they are old enough to be held accountable for their actions.

Well, fuck you. Fuck every single, misogynistic one of you. There is a massive fucking epidemic of male violence; Paedophiles infest every corner of society; and these men think that they won’t take advantage of self id to access more victims? Don’t be so fucking stupid. And if you’re on twitter calling women fascists for pointing this out, then I will just assume you have sinister motives. Because if you still can’t see why women don’t want to allow penises into our spaces then you are either very, very stupid or you can’t wait to creep in and take advantage yourself.*

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AsAProfessionalFekko · 28/08/2018 18:25

And if you’re on twitter calling women fascists for pointing this out, then I will just assume you have sinister motives.

Oh yes!

FlintyBadman · 28/08/2018 18:29

So if they endorsed does that mean it is a Green Party member who is threatening a victim of child rape and torture ?

Not just a member, she was a Green Party candidate for Binley & Willenhall in May 2018

www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/3169/coventry_city_council_local_elections_results_-_3_may_2018/4

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 18:31

Thankyou angrybird.

Datun · 28/08/2018 18:32

BraveAndStunning

I know things have moved on, but that comment was up thread. I can't remember if it was Amalfi or someone else.

thecatfromjapan · 28/08/2018 18:33

I wonder who's running the Challenor Coventry Greens at the moment?

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