Green Party statement continuation thread

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No.

It can't quite 'work'.

I'm quite sure living with an abuser affected Tina and Aimee.

But, given that, how the fuck did they come to be effectively running that Green Party ward?

And how did the Green Party let them have such influence and profile nationally?

And - finally - if Aimee's judgment was skewed, and she makes a big, public case for this, ALL THE POLICIES SHE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH REQUIRE REVIEW.

And, of course, all those who hung out with Aimee and her father have a few questions to answer as to why the didn't ever pick up on something so awry.

I think it's all pretty irretrievably toxic for the Green Party, really.

Because, even if their friendly press don't run it, other, unfriendly, sources will. Identity politics is, indeed, a pretty alarming facet of our political culture but, to win parliamentary and council seats, you do tend to need to appeal wider than the crank pool.

(And I feel so, so sorry for the victim of David Challoner in this. It must be appalling to witness what must feel like a minimising by a major political Party, along with a complete failure to acknowledge all the harm done to her.

I am so so sorry this happened to her.

May she be strong and joyful. May her life bring her all she needs to live past this with courage, love and beauty.)

Thanks placemat I can see how it would fit personally. Do you want to say why it does not fit (pm if you would rather..or not!)

From what I know ODD and similar symptoms given different names, would not be unlikely given a disiturbed childhood where both parents have 'issues'. It is often co-morbid with other conditions.

I think these disorders may explain (or not) but do not absolve and MH services need much greater funding to diagnose and treat disordered people. I feel worried when I hear the statistic 1in 4 have a MH problem at one time or another as I think that while it may aim to reduce stigma for thigns like depression and anxiety, it also hides and neglects serious MH problems and the people who have them, which then excuses cuts in funding.

To me, this seems to fit with some campaigns to normalise different moral values and even deviant behaviour, and to me leads to encouraging hiding in plain site. We don't need to shame but we do need to see certain things as a problem, to condemn and stop them, not just think, "oh it is a bit different but fine" as the Greens seem to be doing.

And - finally - if Aimee's judgment was skewed, and she makes a big, public case for this, ALL THE POLICIES SHE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH REQUIRE REVIEW.

Well, quite. A political agenda to dismantle women's rights and the safeguarding of children and adults arrived at by a person while under undue influence by a cross-dressing paedophile child rapist and torturer?

How the fuck does that make the agenda any more palatable?

Exactly, Lang. Exactly.

The result of Aimee's political agenda will mean that the victim of David Challenor's vile crimes will never be entitled to a space free of male presence, male influence, male bodies, and penises.

Yeah. Great.

Thankthefuckinglord

And the fact that Aimee is still posting on the Green Party LGBT+ account suggests that the Green Party DID hand an awful lot of the organisational nuts and bolts to her (and anyone she might have been under the influence of).

And the membership data for that ward.

I suspect the LBGTQ+ data, too.

So, even trying desperate stuff like: 'Aimee was just a figurehead' - a defence which would make the Party look very cynical - isn't going to wash.

Aimee still has access to stuff like the Party LGBT+ account.

Caroline Lucas 'not aware of that' and 'calling for' an investigation independent of Aimee?

WTAF?!

That is NOT a denial.

That is a suggestion that an investigation independent of Aimee needs to be establishex.

I think the response from Caroline Lucas is spot on. And independent investigation is needed in this case.

Agree Amal

And - finally - if Aimee's judgment was skewed, and she makes a big, public case for this, ALL THE POLICIES SHE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH REQUIRE REVIEW

Yes they do thecatfromjapan

Placemats Yes, it IS desperately needed.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that.

The implication in Caroline Lucas' tweet is that any investigation underway at present - and we've been assured an investigation was begun immediately - wasn't independent.

That's staggering.

From further down the thread that Amalfi just posted...

tbh, I'd think that anyone repeatedly photographed with senior figures who are likewise running for posts as senior as Leader/Deputy Leader would be senior.

Never mind someone on the receiving end of tweets of admiration for how delightful it was to meet AC and father (as per Caroline Russell).

AC already gave interview to huffpo

Hi everyone, we were straying into the realms of speculation again, so we are making some deletions on the thread to bring the tone more in line with the spirit of MN.
With regards to the previous thread that a couple of people have enquired about, both the news story and the conversations around it have moved on, so we have decided not to re-publish. We're keeping in mind the guidelines provided by the CPS and we'd be very grateful for your co-operation in this regard.
Thanks.

So it appears that the chairs of the LGBTQIA+ Greens have no control over Aimee. They have no authority to compel Challenor to remove this strapline from their twitter profile: Equalities LGBTIQA+ Spokesperson for @TheGreenParty. Co-convener of Global Greens LGBT+ Network.

This is despite the fact that apparently Aimee is no longer in any of those roles.

Incidentally, Aimee has been very busy deleting stuff all over the place in the last 24 hours.

Anyone who screened the Baloo fb page please contact me asap

With regards to the previous thread that a couple of people have enquired about, both the news story and the conversations around it have moved on, so we have decided not to re-publish
It's a pity as it was a minefield of information and a good example of what happens when safeguarding is ignored

thecat

But, given that, how the fuck did they come to be effectively running that Green Party ward?

Given that you posted:

I'm quite sure living with an abuser affected Tina and Aimee.

One can presume, perhaps wrongly, that the running of the Green Party ward wasn't done by either Tina or Aimee. However, an independent investigation is needed to solve this conundrum.

By the way thecat

I'm of the view that David Challenor was a paedophile and rapist.

I wouldn't describe him as an abuser.

Datun

Where did you read that about the threat to the victim? That's disgusting

wouldn't JUST describe him

Aimee has retweeted this statement from the GirlGuides.
twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1034459560008925185

Cat I'm not sure I share this interpretation:

The implication in Caroline Lucas' tweet is that any investigation underway at present - and we've been assured an investigation was begun immediately - wasn't independent.

I read it as no investigation has yet been instigated as far as Lucas was concerned and was aware and she believes it needs to be independent but there hasn't been any formal discussion of how such an investigation should be carried out yet.

She certainly, however, doesn't seem to be on the same page as Aimee's tweets which are about being framed as guilty purely by association by family ties, which don't take into consideration Aimee's independent actions.

In other words, Caroline seems to be publicly saying the contrary; an investigation of both David's role AND Aimee's independent actions are BOTH legitimate and need to be examined in their own rights for lessons.

Aimee stated that she had the full support of the party at this time (perhaps a bit like a football manager on the edge) and that tweet seemed to imply thats on both on a political as well as personal.

The reality might well be different. Caroline seems to give that impression.

You can't have an independent investigation into a member's actions when a decision has already been made that Aimee has a political future with the greens. If the independent investigation finds that Aimee's conduct isn't acceptable, then how can the party continue to stand by Aimee politically (it can't).

Caroline suggesting that an investigation needs to be independent does remove the transphobic lobbying power to a large extent. Its an attempt to neutralise things a bit. How can anyone object to an independent investigation? (they will btw).

But it also begs the question, how can Aimee not be formerly suspended in the meantime? Stepping back from duties and continuing to use the power of the party (which is inherent in using a twitter handle which contains the words green party), are also not sufficient.

It merely places the party in a position where they'll be in a right pickle if an independent investigation finds Aimee has made actions which are highly questionable.

I can well see this imploding into spectacular green party infighting over what to do yet.