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Green Party statement continuation thread

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Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 11:12

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thecatfromjapan · 28/08/2018 15:25

AmalfiMama I'm not sure that last post is OK.

That information isn't in the public domain yet.

I think you might want to ask for it to be deleted.

CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 15:25

why do you need a secure connection, I don't follow?

thecatfromjapan · 28/08/2018 15:26

AmalfiMama Last but one post.

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:26

I presume Tina is still a member.

CesiraAndEnrico · 28/08/2018 15:26

i am trying to find out if this person is a green party member or not.

Is it possible for random members of the public to endorse a candidate for a Green internal election ? Like, they don't even have to be bog standard members of the party first ?

Is this another of the "Greens do politics dead weird and differently" things ?

Where one could chase a few random people around the shopping centre until they give in and "endorsed" you for the Greens' Deputy election and Bob's your Uncle, you're in the race.

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:27

thecatfromjapan
Already reported please so report too

seafret · 28/08/2018 15:28

amalfi I am sure that AC will come up with a host of reasons that they are not responsible for anything.

I would argue that some people with mental/emotional/personality didorders they may well be so unwell that they have dimished capacity in some respects or at some times, but also that that is incompatible with being fit to campaign poltically and stand for election and make it very hard for any extreme views you hold to be recognised as reasonable opinions.

Unless it is a very special and trans identifying, you cannot have your cake and eat it.

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:29

thecatfromjapan

Because my contact would prefer it so that it can't come back on them

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:30

I am sure that AC will come up with a host of reasons that they are not responsible for anything.
They already have

Datun · 28/08/2018 15:31

amalfi

Bloody hell. Yes delete. Is this all going to come out, though?

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:32

Redacted post

re the victims and survivors.

Aimee used plurals as they are trying to place themselves and the mother in the same category as they child. They are trying to I on that David was a controlling figure in the household and may come up with a pstd diagnosis in the coming weeks (you heard it here first ladies).

The bag order was asked for to protect aimees political career, that backfired so they put out this statement to protect aimees political career, they are trying to do damage control to protect aimees political career

Anyone see a pattern? The victim is ignored as they are seen as a liar and the real victim for them is the political career.

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:34

Datun
Deleted, redacted and reposted.

And yes

placemats · 28/08/2018 15:36

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CarolDanvers · 28/08/2018 15:37

They're spinning it that all women involved are victims of this abusive man. I'm really scared that it might actually work tbh.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/08/2018 15:40

"Women" involved.

LangCleg · 28/08/2018 15:40

WHAT AM I READING?

placemats · 28/08/2018 15:41

So anyway, glad the post was redacted.

This is a super thread, as were the others. Please give no excuse for it to be deleted.

I understand the concerns totally.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/08/2018 15:41

Plus DD was trans under Stonewall definition

So the women were all underthe thrall of this man makes no sense whatsoever.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/08/2018 15:43

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CarolDanvers · 28/08/2018 15:44

@NothingOnTellyAgain Shock indeed! What was I thinking?!

CesiraAndEnrico · 28/08/2018 15:44

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/08/2018 15:44

DC was trans rather, under stonewall defn.

Not that it really matters.

But if you change what words mean then you can't change them back when something happens.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 28/08/2018 15:44

I'm appalled by the GP attitude to this. Horrendous cromes took plave at the registerd HQ of their local.paryy, and the local elecruon age t was responsible, and yet their stastatement the episode minimises everything.

I've emailed them to ask for an explanation although am sure I'll just get a pro forma response.

RedToothBrush · 28/08/2018 15:47

I think the worse thing is i've got to the point in politics were I am no longer particularly shocked, just disgusted by the details.

When you look back over your shoulders, its always blindly OBVIOUS that X wasn't right. Time and time again.

This is an age where people do not take responsibility for things. They just seek to shift blame. Criticism is viewed not as something which is constructive. Instead its a personal attack.

When you get to a situation where constructive voices who want to contribute in good faith are shut down for being 'difficult' you are into full blown scandal already. You just have to wait for the scandal to hit, and the whistleblowers to eventually come out of the woodwork.

Some of these will be honest, upstanding and decent people and tried hard to stop it at the time. Others will just be those trying, once again, to shift blame, dodge responsibility and save their own god damn necks.

And whilst the focus is on the obvious candidate for the fall, they will try and keep their distance.

Aimee is obviously unsuitable. But there are others who have the veneer of respectability who have made gained political power and status for turning a blind eye and not taking responsibility when they should have.

In some respects examining Aimee is unhelpful for this reason. It protects others who were fully aware of issues, but didn't do shit, cos it was easier or because it suited them. They are equally unsuitable for unaccountable power.

Xenia · 28/08/2018 15:47

It is always very hard to know when a vulnerable daughter (or son) who has grown up in care and is still young is responsible for that they do or not. My bottom line would be to say fora political party 1. you need people approaching 30 ideally (or older) with work experience and stability in their lives and 2. you need vetting otherwise parties are brought into disrepute.

If anyone is interested in the academic/psychological side of this kind of thing (and it not the same circumstances as here) the UK trial of Alison Mack will bring up similar issues - either victim of the "cult" leader and forced into what she did or else (FBI case) responsible for her own actions.

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