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Green Party statement continuation thread

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Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 11:12

Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

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placemats · 28/08/2018 14:47

Well it's clear that the Green Party in England and Wales will be subject to scrutiny for a very long time given the responses to many tweets on this and these threads on Mumsnet.

CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 14:50

Here was the bullshit these arseholes were brainwashing these poor girls with:

elthamhill.com/2017/10/19/young-womens-conference/

"Gabby Edlin spoke to our girls about period poverty. Sanitary towels are quite expensive and when you are on a low budget can be difficult to afford. Her charity Bloody Good Period collects donations of sanitary products and gives them out to those in need, such as refugees and asylum seekers. "

Yes that seems useful and relevant

"Amaal Said spoke about her experience as a Somali poet and photographer. She said she refuses to be typecast as, ‘the woman of colour’, and talked about owning the term, ‘artist’ as a second generation Somali woman. The workshop she led focused on representation of Muslim women and women of colour in poetry and visual arts."

Yes, makes sense

"Dave Myers, from the Forced Marriage Unit, explained what constitutes as Forced Marriage and how to identify potential victims."

Ok, logical

"Aimee Challenor talked about her experiences as a young transwoman and explained the work that the Stonewall Trans Advisory Group is doing to aid and amplify trans voices. Aimee, along with Ms Zionts, led a workshop that examined whether transwomen were included enough in current feminist movements and led discussions on how we could work to promote more inclusive notions of feminism.

Further workshops were led by Eltham Hill staff and explored issues relating to intersectionality"

FUCK OFF.

That's just 'me me me, you must include me'

CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 14:51

How dare these bastards go and tell these girls they aren't doing enough to include men.

seafret · 28/08/2018 14:53

Oh yes, and in Aimee's own words in the Huff Post article from 4th July 2018, HuffPost Birmingham Stories of Equality

“I was often seen as a troublemaker and whatnot, questioning authority. But now I’m doing politics I’m turning this negative thing, where people have said it will get in my way and I won’t be able to do things and achieve, into a positive.

“I’m using it in my politics as a tool to hold people to account.”

Holding to account? Or to challenge as per usual for ODD? Using it to silence women and to enforce their own rules?

Women's rights must be catnip for some with ODD... and imagine the satisfaction to be gained when they actually appear to succeed in break down those rules (including removal of safeguarding procedures for children) and install their own.

placemats · 28/08/2018 14:54

What does 'inclusive notions of feminism' even mean?

HopeMumsnet · 28/08/2018 14:54

"@HopeMumsnet

Can I have an update on the reopening of my thread please?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344505-Aimee-channellors-father-given-22-years"

Hi Amalfi, sorry I didn't see that before (the @ doesn't work for us, unless we're on another system so reports are best). I can certainly check for you but would be inclined to guess that this thread will be deemed sufficient for now. Might as well keep things in one place.

theOtherPamAyres · 28/08/2018 14:56

inclusive notions of feminism

protecting and promoting the rights of men?

placemats · 28/08/2018 14:57

Whose authority was Aimee challenging when this came to light? The school?

Why didn't Aimee challenge David Challenor's authority?

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 14:57

HopeMumsnet

Tha k you but I do feel, as do others, that the information gathered in that thread is important to show exactly what was hidden, which redflags were ignored and screens of now deleted fb accounts which show that the statements released after the thread was closed, are facesaving e er uses

NameChangedAgain18 · 28/08/2018 14:57

mobile.twitter.com/littlekittybell/status/1034009664151801856

Interesting comments from Maria McLachlan (skeptikat) on Amelia Womack, here.

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CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 14:59

I am sure that Aimee as a brony, furry, autistic computer programmer., in and out of care homes, was not being very well 'included' by men.

But none of that implies that it is now incumbent on women to do the 'inclusivity'.

Fuck that.

BraveAndStunning · 28/08/2018 15:04

That letter supporting Mermsids when they were told to keep the fuck away from that child was also signed by 'Baloo'

twitter.com/Mum3Sun/status/1034046921747390464

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/08/2018 15:06

Makes total sense to have a schoolful of girls sit and listen and learn about how if they want to get ahead in life they need to grow a cock and bollocks.

Same old message very slightly different messenger (more lipgloss).

Gets on my tits but probably another thread.

Datun · 28/08/2018 15:07

Amalfimamma

And one of the ppl who endorsed Aimee for election has written

The bitch (ie the victim) will pay dearly for what she has done I'll see to that

I'm not often shocked, but that one had me audibly gasping.

seafret · 28/08/2018 15:08

Whose authority was Aimee challenging when this came to light? The school?

Why didn't Aimee challenge David Challenor's authority?

Not sure if you are responding to my posts about Aimee and ODD, placemats but I guess that as children with this disorder grow up, most will learn to manage and control it to some extent - or at least channel it (mask it?) so that it becomes less obviously socially provocative.

Attacking women under the guise of the trans extremist agenda would be an excellent way of appearing to be chanelling hostility into something, er, 'constructive'.

Aimee mentioned re-building their relationship with DC so perhaps with this cause Aimee found, DC was able to be seen as an ally where they could campaign to erode women's rights together.

Soemthing was mentioned on another post about how even abusive relationships have the potential to unite against a common cause.

Datun · 28/08/2018 15:12

That letter supporting Mermsids when they were told to keep the fuck away from that child was also signed by 'Baloo'

An endorsement of Mermais from a paedophile rapist trying to access children through deception?

Surely we will be hearing the sound of pennies dropping now?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/08/2018 15:12

Me too datun. PP said it should be reported to police as a threat I think that is the right thing to do as well. Some people clearly know who she is.

The other thing is that aimee's pinned tweet again refers to "victims" of DC. That is a real concern. Has anyone approached them to ask about the other victims?

And then there is the mum on FB apparently saying that of course DC is innocent, AC believes innocent, lying to GP and public for political motivations.

He got 22 years FFS.

This is overwhelmingly awful.

I think a lot of these people have the age old issue that they can't actually bring themselves to see this young female human as a person. They're just a plot device / figure of hatred etc.

I hope whoever they are with they are with people who love them and are not reading all this stuff from DC family and AC supporters.

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:13

Datun
It actually turned my stomach.i am trying to find out if this person is a green party member or not. If they are, then get ready ladies cos I'm going to war.

Afuckinggain

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/08/2018 15:14

I mean the police.

The fact that AC keeps referring to victims, at different times, also they ahave referred to "survivors" - presumably police will look at that?

DC came into contact with a LOT of children and presumably was trusted by parents etc.

Datun · 28/08/2018 15:16

Amalfimamma

Do you have screenshots of what the mother is saying?. I'm aware these threads are being archived.

seafret · 28/08/2018 15:17

I can't wait for those pennies to drop Datun. So utterly sickening all of this.

I also want to thank you all for finding and linking info and for caring so much. It gives so much strength. I hope more abused women and girls will come to know how much some women have fought for them, and us all.

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thecatfromjapan · 28/08/2018 15:22

I wonder if Tina Challoner is still a Green Party member?

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 15:23

Datun
I am awaiting screenshots via a secure connection. They will then be sent to the police