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Green Party statement continuation thread

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Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 11:12

Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

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arranfan · 28/08/2018 13:51

RTB wrote: People are not seeing Aimee's actions as being indefensible, they only see Aimee as the 'victim of a witchhunt'...

This is why scrutiny and transparency is floundering like a dying fish on the beach in 2018.

I strongly suspect there is actually no political benefit to the greens to do anything...Unless the internal party culture takes safeguarding and vetting protocols seriously of its own accord then there is no way to force a party to change.

Sadly, I agree with RTB. Safeguarding women and children is worth less, politically, in some demographics than being seen to support The Most Oppressed Demographic Ever.

TwistedStitch · 28/08/2018 13:52

In addition to the silence from the GP leaders I've just seen tweets from last year where Amelia Womack (deputy leader) accused Andy Healey of harrassment for raising concerns about the antics of AC and silencing of women, and Sian Berry (currently standing as leader) told her she 'had that individual blocked'. No wonder they are silent, they are all complicit in allowing AC to run amok.

OrchidInTheSun · 28/08/2018 13:52

I am also v glad Barracker's excellent posts have been reinstated.

Great thread on Twitter about the multiplicity of red flags around the Challenors: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1034398210893209600.html

NameChangedAgain18 · 28/08/2018 13:57

In addition to the silence from the GP leaders I've just seen tweets from last year where Amelia Womack (deputy leader) accused Andy Healey of harrassment for raising concerns about the antics of AC and silencing of women, and Sian Berry (currently standing as leader) told her she 'had that individual blocked'. No wonder they are silent, they are all complicit in allowing AC to run amok.

What a disgrace. The Jimmy Saville Party indeed. Their whole leadership contest should be called off so that a full investigation can determine what part all of these people had in silencing women concerned about safeguarding and in facilitating the agenda of a paedophile and his puppet.

placemats · 28/08/2018 13:57

The current tweets from Aimee on this demonstrate clearly that this is a vulnerable individual who has been used by a national party to promote LGBT+

It's unacceptable that one of the Parties who have a representation in Parliament to allow this to continue.

It must be stressed that if there is a spokesperson of that party speaking out about safeguarding and disclosure, who are themselves vulnerable, then questions that have been asked must be answered.

MnerXX · 28/08/2018 13:58

SturdyEarmuffs I cannot understand why the parties are so lax on this. No one would expect them to be perfect but they need to be responsible.

Amalfi Shock re AC investigating herself. Just when you think it couldn't get any worse!

I have complained to the BBC re the lack of coverage over the weekend.

TwistedStitch · 28/08/2018 14:01

The timing of this tweet would be hilarious if the subject matter wasn't so awful.

mobile.twitter.com/Amelia_Womack/status/1033989408226197504

NameChangedAgain18 · 28/08/2018 14:05

Wow, the comments under Amelia Womack’s tweet. I really don’t see how they can proceed with the leadership contest, not with any integrity at least.

heresyandwitchcraft · 28/08/2018 14:05

I really hope the victim is receiving adequate support and police protection in this. That threat against her, the breach of anonymity......
Evil doesn't even begin to describe the kind of person who would do that.

HopeMumsnet · 28/08/2018 14:06

Ha, Barracker! Take it you didn't read the second mail? Anyway, thanks for the thanks.

On to the matter of the site going down last night - it had nothing to do with any internet trolls and was simply a matter of "resources issues" and we all basically had to be switched off at the wall and on again.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 14:07

Orchid

Thanks for that

TwistedStitch · 28/08/2018 14:09

I know imagine being so tone deaf as to tweet that right now. I particularly like 'Dave's' comment.

arranfan · 28/08/2018 14:12

@HopeMumsnet Hah! DH owes me some money as I read through the error messages that were being returned and said, "MN is using a deprecated standard and that's probably what's causing this. They'll need to do a reboot". (That's my interpretation of tech email and I'm sticking with it.)

Would like to polish tech Halo but have just been slogging through a systems networking/security pile of reading for various reasons.

EverardDigby · 28/08/2018 14:12

I guess the GP might want to "support" Aimee in a pastoral sense rather than supporting Aimee to carry on with any GP work, but it's all very unclear. IMO they should be suspending Aimee pending an investigation, I'm not sure why that isn't happening - possibly just because the Party is mainly run by volunteers who it may not be that easy to get hold of over a Bank Holiday weekend to follow protocol, though you would have thought it would be sorted by now.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 14:12

TwistedStitch

Bracing stuff. Thanks for linking

LadybirdsAreBirds · 28/08/2018 14:13

... yy to Dave. Harsh but true

HopeMumsnet · 28/08/2018 14:17

Arranfan, well our Tech needs a polish, that's for sure.

theOtherPamAyres · 28/08/2018 14:18

Three Green Party politicians have enabled, encouraged and supported the "Rising Star".

Amelia Womack: standing for Deputy leader. (Voting closes 30th August) Has been the Deputy leader in the past. Spokesperson. Talks about her experience of escaping an abusive relationship but a prominent supporter of brave, stunning men who identify as women, and fabulously independent and entrepreneurial prostituted women.

Sian-Berry: London Asembly member. Standing for joint Leader with Jonathon Bartley and expected to win by a landslide. Spokesperson. Promotes the rights of Trans people over women in London - eg mixed-sex toilets.

Jonathon Bartley: London Assembly member. Standing for joint leader with Sian Berry. Invariably photographed looking adoringly and with great admiration at Aimee.

They are three reasons why women should campaign AGAINST the Green Party. I'm not sure that the good people in local parties are aware of how toxic these three movers and shakers have made the 'green' brand.

Amalfimamma · 28/08/2018 14:22

@HopeMumsnet

Can I have an update on the reopening of my thread please?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344505-Aimee-channellors-father-given-22-years

Popchyk · 28/08/2018 14:23

If the GP try to encourage AC to stop posting on social media, then AC will just ignore them. If the GP instructs AC to stop posting, then AC will just ignore them.

The other thing is that AC will have saved all the private party data and documents (AC will have had full access to that, no doubt) to a secure place by now. Hope there isn't anything incriminating in there, Greens.

That's the problem. The parties cannot control these TRAs.

Anyone think that L. Madigan of Labour will be easy to get rid of when the time inevitably comes? Nope. Not gonna happen.

OrchidInTheSun · 28/08/2018 14:32

Thanks Hope :)

OMG that Amelia Womack thread is an utter car crash

Popchyk · 28/08/2018 14:35

Andy Healey, Green Party member on Twitter:

twitter.com/FearMyHat/status/1034186878919077889

"My questions for Amelia Womack would include:

1/ Did you encourage Aimee Challenor to initiate a civil injunction, criminal prosecution & party sanctions against me in March 2017 after I refused to back down here?

2/ Did you chair a meeting earlier this year discussing a proposed blanket no-platforming of Miranda Yardley across the GreenParty?"

Another person on Twitter, a transsexual person, replies to him: "I’ve been asked to advise you that @Amelia_Womack chaired the meeting discussing banning Miranda and had blocked Miranda on Twitter even though they’d never engaged".

seafret · 28/08/2018 14:35

I've just visited Aimee's wiki page. And seen that they were diagnosed with Oppostional Defiance Disorder as a child (Aimee disclosed this diagnosis themselves to the Huff Post)

Now, I am sure there will be MNers with expertise in this area, but according to Wikipedia, sympoms of this disorder include;
(1) Often loses temper
(2) Is often touchy or easily annoyed
(3) Is often angry and resentful
(4) Often argues with authority figures or for children and adolescents, with adults
(5) Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
(6) Often deliberately annoys others
(7) Often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
(8) Has been spiteful or vindictive at least twice within the past 6 months

I can't help noticing that their behaviour over the last few years seems to be very symtomatic of this disorder - especially if you place women/feminists as authority figures where women are the gatekeepers of femaleness and women's rights and therefore so mean and nasty to keep Aimee out

How does this affect how we view Aimee's actions with cyber bullying/hacking allegations, terfblockers, aggressively silencing women and other Greens if we fight to keep the boundaries (rules) of common sense and science and do not accept their assertion that TWAW because she and they say so.

And Aimee's utter lack of humility over their latest behaviour just has me speechless. Do they have no shame? Yes it smacks a little of 'young people' and being unwise, but a a PP said the Green Party should be older and wiser and should advise Aimee and have the strength and wisdom to law down the law here. And if Aimee is so unwise then why does anyone support them as a candidate for leading anything?

Has Aimee 'overcome' this disorder that leads to lack of behavoural control, vindictiveness, rule breaking, hostility, failure to take repsonsibility? What treatment if any did they have?

I acknowledge that Aimee grew up in very disturbed household, but disorder or not, disability or not, to me it adds to more weight to the argument that Aimee is wholly unfit to be a polictian or official activist, and that the Green Party show staggering naivety and/stupidity (or worse) are utterly incapable of recognising vunerabiltities in young people, exercising good judgement, and making and upholding safeguarding polcies.

IMO, Aimee is not fit to stand or to infleunce and represent others, and neither are any Green Party members who do not speak out.

I am not trying to hit below the belt here by raising this - it was something that Aimee put into the public domain and fitness of ability, judgement and character is plainly essential in someone seeking public office.

Aimee cannot reasonably use their diagnosis to explain and possibly generate sympathy one minute, then argue that it's significance be disregarded the next.

#whataimeedid #fitnesstostand #questionsneedanswers

heresyandwitchcraft · 28/08/2018 14:37

I second amalfimamma's request:

@HopeMumsnet

Can I have an update on the reopening of my thread please?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344505-Aimee-channellors-father-given-22-years

CaitlynsCat · 28/08/2018 14:43

Thought this was quite interesting:

twitter.com/ElthamHill/status/920991329370492928

You're an all-girls school with diverse students. Who do you invite to your women's conference? Why Aimee of course, because just so stunning & brave and relevant.

Fucking idiots.