Green Party statement continuation thread

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

However, if the GP has had enough conversations to express their continuing support, then they needed to state firmly that AC ceases to act for them in any public capacity for the time being, until the GP's investigations are complete

That might be a little too forceful/decisive for the Greens' taste. It could feel too "off message" for them. Until things get so unbearable that they feel they have no choice.

I am so glad it's not the Greens who will ever be standing between me and a threat to national safety/security.

Aimee is also advising the green party on the investigation into Aimee.

The GP would have to be spectacularly naive to think even an internal investigation into this would be sufficient, never mind one that is claimed to be guided by the person at the heart of it.

Amalfi good point yes WTF

Wtf is Caroline Lucas doing?? Julie Bindel is seriously laying into her (quite rightly). And still not a peep from Jonathan Bartley who is merrily tweeting away about veganism.

Aimee is also advising the green party on the investigation into Aimee

What? I’m sorry, where did you see this?

Which article is the clearest for the crimes please? Really need to be clear about how horrific this was. Ideally with a timeline to show how long the Green Party and Aimee had to know about this.

Thanks.

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I'm choosing to interpret that tweet as a self-aggrandising attempt at nobility by AC which other people might interpret as actually recounting what AC did that, on mature reflection, was an error of judgment that brought the party into disrepute.

Independent has some more detail.
There was some more ghoulish reporting in ?metro from the headline but I don't see any need for pics of wheer it happened to be published FFS. That is heading into unpleasant territory as far as I'm concerned, personal view.

I didn't look at the metro piece but I assume it has more info.

I mean teh victim is around FGS she doesn't need people groccling into where she was tortured .

I didn't realise I felt that strongly but apparently I do.

Aimee knew what had happened in 9ct9ber 2015. They were questioned by the police at the time of DC arrest.

I agree that pictures are unnecessary. I just want something that says 22 years, not considered for parole, rape and torture etc. To compare with BBC's "Abuse". Or worse still the Green Party's original "gender abuse".

To be absolutely plain: The Green Party can't issue any statement suggesting Aimee's lack of judgement was the result of trauma that impaired her ability to recognise safeguarding issues and proper boundaries because

... during that time, the Party had her working on their Safeguarding policy.

She's either competent to negotiate Safeguarding issues, or she isn't.

And if not then all those policies are up for scrutiny.

Just like the case-load of a police-officer or a lawyer.

So, just as long as Aimee keeps on being vocal and (unbelievable!) keeps tweeting from s Green Party-associated twitter account, those questions remain live.

It's a continuing car-crash.

DING DING DING!
Absoluetely.

Aimee Challenor @GreenPartyAimee
My statement will stay pinned to the top of my twitter for quite a while, and I'll be taking a break from my @TheGreenParty roles to give me the space and time to clear my head and re-engage. This doesn't mean I'm quitting or going. The party have been clear of their support.

If Aimee is taking a break from Green Party Roles, then how can Aimee be doing that in all sincerity and still be tweeting at all, even in a 'personal capacity' from that account?

Aimee's twitter handle INCLUDES THE WORDS GREEN PARTY.

I mean HELLO!!!! ANYONE HOME AT GREEN HQ?

I mean HELLO!!!! ANYONE HOME AT GREEN HQ?

They are all hungover from virtue signalling at green festivals all weekend.

Honestly, if my company had a tiny proportion of the shit that went down this weekend, we'd have had an emergency meeting.

I cannot believe not one of them thought it was worth stopping the festivities over.

Hopeless and hapless.

I'm choosing to interpret that tweet as a self-aggrandising attempt at nobility by AC which other people might interpret as actually recounting what AC did that, on mature reflection, was an error of judgment that brought the party into disrepute.

Yes. "helping the party" sounds better than, "they are grilling me"... as much as a Green can grill. Sorry. Bias. But IME well meaning and kindly people are not good at grilling.

Actually, maybe they are so bad at grilling that AC genuinely believes self to be "involved in helping with the process"

They couldn't organise a trip to the toilet.

How well do AC and JB know each other?
ATH letter authored by JB and AC a co-signatory.

They couldn't organise a trip to the toilet.

Which is basically where they are likely to be forever if they do not step up NOW!

Leadership. Take control. Do something.

It's all well and good having a co-operative approach until shit like this goes down - then you need a good leader to pull their finger out.

Actually, maybe they are so bad at grilling that AC genuinely believes self to be "involved in helping with the process"

I do think AC believes they are helping with the process. AC is also confident they are going nowhere.

The thing is AC is not going to go quietly (which is clearly what the GP want). That's obvious.

So how exactly does the GP get rid of AC? Without it blowing up into a huge social media storm that will reflect badly on them (even if they act properly).

If they expel AC for failing to inform them about the election agent business, then the transgender lobby lawyers will be all over the GP, crying transphobia. However that works out, it is more bad publicity.

If they sanction Aimee in any way, the same.

However, they simply cannot keep AC on as any sort of spokesperson or in any role with any responsibility whatsoever. It is obvious that they have no control to silence AC.

So here they are. They can't keep AC. And they can't get rid of AC.

Over to you, Greens.

AC is also retweeting messages of support that accuse critics of transphobia. It doesn't seem that AC is capable of self reflection and I guess with so many people blocked they can bask in the supportive comments that turn them into the victim.

AC loves the spotlight just as their parents did and if we are honest what else do they have going on their life? They've had a taste of power, they'll not go quietly.

Popchyk you are right to a point. But I disagree that the GP want to get rid of AC. Here's why.

I do think there is a way to resolve it still, but it involves a clear suspension over failure to disclose. But that requires them to acknowledge that Aimee is responsible for Aimee's actions and to clearly identify Aimee's actions as Aimee's and fuck all to do with her father.

They haven't. And they won't. Cos they don't want to.

If the GP had any integrity they would say this:
-wholehearted apology
-encourage any other victims to report to police
-expel AC immediately
-this is a serious lack of judgment and shows complete collapse of safeguarding
-we are launching a full investigation, the results of which will be transparent to the public/GP membership
-we will look in to every single thing that DC has touched and re-assess it

(All things the NUS ought to have done with JB once JB half-admitted the blog belonged to them.)

The TRAs could then just say they condemn the terrible lapses in judgment, and they don't reflect the movement.

But instead they cover it up, silence everyone, and pretend like nothing is happening.

Which indicates that this behaviour is not only condoned by the activists, but that there might be other worse examples out there.

The cover-up is always worse than the crime.

And the treatment of AC in this case is not transphobic in any way. If anything it is "transphilic," given that ANY OTHER POLITICIAN would be dumped in a heartbeat.