Green Party statement continuation thread

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Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

Also Nick Bowles thank you.

Angry- I think your right this case poses so many questions relating to the dangers that could be created by self I.D. The reach that this predatory man has had already would only have been extended further.

The idea that we wanted something like this to happen so that we could score political points is insane. What the hell do they think we are doing this for? We've given our time, energy and sanity to this issue, tolerated relentless abuse, risked doxxing and loss of friends, communities and jobs for the sole reason that we hoped to prevent things like this from happening.

Why Raisins?

New MPs speaking out in that article is significant and positive for freedom of speech on this issue.

It looks as though what has prompted them to speak is attacks on perfectly reasonable and very mild comments about being cautious over medicalising children who might not actually need it. Timing with Challenor stuff is coincidental to that I reckon.

Thanks Carrots. I really hope this is a turning point. The more people speak up, the more people will stand up beside them.

Yep, I think Aimee will turn out to be the first domino that knocks down all the others.
I would say Jess Bradley was at least the first shaky domino in all this, but certainly Aimee Challenor is a confirmed domino down. That is two, in less than a month. I suspect we will hear more clickerty sounds in the near future. We could be cynical and start making book. But we won't.

I get the impression that Challoner Senior was the designated driver for "Rising Star" Aimee.
And that alone (Senior not being around to 'guide') will be the real end of this 'rising star'.

So many things keep hitting me- just now I'm thinking of the way these fucking cuckoos just hoover up all the oxygen from worthy causes and take it for themselves. Has anyone ever heard Lily Madigan talking about women's issues? Or AC talking about the environment? Or Jes Bradley talking about things that affect all students? No. Just their brave and stunningness. Gives me the almighty rage.

And that alone (Senior not being around to 'guide') will be the real end of this 'rising star'.

YY. Aimee has no charisma.

No charisma and no ability to string a sentence or cogent argument together

I would say Jess Bradley was at least the first shaky domino in all this

JB should have been, but the TRAs were very adept at ignoring that case, and it faded away. They can't do that so easily with the Challenors.

The Guardian is stupid for not having covered this. It wasn't journalism, it was pretty much C and P from the GP statement.

It's massively short-sighted of them.

They're a progressive paper. Inequality is THE political issue in this country - and the poverty side of inequality is pretty much FEMALE.

They are choosing to address themselves to issues other than this fact by ignoring women, replacing us with a vague and vacuous category of identification. Ultimately, it proves their progressive credentials to be superficial and full of shit.

They are handing a massive amount of credibility to the right-wing press.

That's a disaster, frankly.

I'm dismayed - I don't see the Right as a friend, or a political group that will help me.

But there seems to be nothing I can do to stop it.

I agree with you, LangCleg

I wish publications like The Guardian had more sense.

It's not just this, it's the fact that they have someone like Owen Jones as a puppet for the 'authentic voice of the working class'. It's just insulting when the main bearers on inequality are single mothers, carers, people (again, mainly wome) with disabilities and older women. And our concerns are not those of OJ. And, in fact, he often speaks dismissively of our concerns, to shut us down.

It's insulting, it's brainwashing - and it's handing a massive open goal to the right-wing press.

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I meant to say that the other insult of that Guardian article was that the didn't even get one of their more serious writers onto it.

I think it was a correspondent, who writes occasionally for them.

Yes, it was a Bank Holiday but I'm guessing some of the bigger writers didn't want to touch it because they've made their choices. And their choice isn't to be on the side of those women who are genuinely bearing the brunt of the current politics of inequality.

The Guardian piece was a news item rather than an opinion piece where you would expect comment and analysis.

I am still waiting for some analysis on the GRA debate from them
(or is that #nodebate?)

Transcrimeuk.com are keeping a tally

transcrimeuk.com/2018/08/22/david-challenor/

From the Der Spiegel link:

"But it isn't that simple. The Greens are not being accused of having advocated sex with children. The real question is whether they contributed to an atmosphere in which people could feel emboldened to pursue tendencies that are illegal if acted upon, and for good reason."

The Green apple doesn't fall from the tree, does it?

Someone on Twitter is claiming that gender critical feminists on this board have been naming Challenor's victim. I'm pretty sure that isn't true.

I have archived both threads, deleted posts still intact. So there is proof of everything said/ not said.

To the best of my knowledge nobody has identified the victim, overtly or covertly. Nor has a link been posted that could lead a lurker to a place where she is identified.

If the girl had been named/had her identity revealed via a link posted, the thread would have kicked off in absolute outrage immediately under. So I'm confident that not even a TRA with a new MN nickname has snuck on here and done it.

I'll need to drink my coffee first, but then I'll upload the pdfs of the threads (this and the last) and give the link to anybody who wants to read through to double check.

But honest to god, we would have noticed cos it would have gone down like a lead balloon and then threads massively derailed.

CesiraAndEnrico well done, you’re a star!

If Challenor Snr was the power behind Aimee's throne, then you have to question this:

lgbtiq.greenparty.org.uk/news/2015/12/07/prisontransform/

Aimee is the first signatory, and the date is interesting - published just weeks after her father has been reported.

I've not heard of the deaths of any transwomen in prison? Does anyone know what the statement in TimeLady's post refers to?

"Following the death of another transwoman in an all-male prison, and with evidence that these are not the only cases,.."

Procrastinator1

There was a suicide that I remember reading about. I'll go have a look and see if I can find it.

To the best of my knowledge nobody has identified the victim, overtly or covertly. Nor has a link been posted that could lead a lurker to a place where she is identified

The only person that mentioned anything about naming the victim was @MichaelMumsnet at 23:15 on the 25th of August 2018
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement?topicid=5365&threadid=3346448&pg=3

This is how men throw women under a bus. They gaslight and lie and give no shits for their lies and the impact their lies have on women.

This says four suicides in a couple of years . Check out the crime of the first one named

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-found-dead-cell-11266405

I'll go find links on the others