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Green Party statement continuation thread

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Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 11:12

Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

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OrchidInTheSun · 27/08/2018 22:07

Did anyone see this article on paedophilia in the German Green Party (warning its v disturbing)

www.spiegel.de/international/germany/past-pedophile-links-haunt-german-green-party-a-899544.html

CesiraAndEnrico · 27/08/2018 22:12

Orchid

From your link

Documents like this have become a problem for the Greens today. Some 33 years after the party was founded, it is now being haunted by a chapter in its history that many would have preferred to forget. No political group in Germany promoted the interests of men with pedophile tendencies as staunchly as the environmental party. For a period of time in the mid-1980s, it practically served as the parliamentary arm of the pedophile movement.

A look at its archives reveals numerous traces of the pedophiles' flirtation with the Green Party.

Love a duck,

OrchidInTheSun · 27/08/2018 22:17

That libertarianism certainly seems to be a theme doesn't it? Apparently Patrick Stewart said he's thinking of voting Green. I have tweeted him

CesiraAndEnrico · 27/08/2018 22:29

That libertarianism certainly seems to be a theme doesn't it?

Very much so.

Charliethefeminist · 27/08/2018 22:36

There is a telegraph story just now

LangCleg · 27/08/2018 22:43

My biggest worry is that each further scandal or overreach by extremist transactivists brings us one step closer to a sizeable far right backlash. Yes, such a thing would take them out but it would take out a lot more with it.

Yddraigoldragon · 27/08/2018 22:48

www.mayday4women.com/2018/08/26/green-party-must-accept-failings-in-its-dealings-with-david-challenor/

Not sure if this has been listed previously?

NotTerfNorCis · 27/08/2018 22:58

Someone on Twitter is claiming that gender critical feminists on this board have been naming Challenor's victim. I'm pretty sure that isn't true.

Charliethefeminist · 27/08/2018 23:00

It's not true. They should be told the victim was identified by TRA on twitter and that the screenshot has been saved.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/08/2018 23:01

The gaslighting and lies in all this are just mindblowing. Some people seem to be creating their own reality as they go along.

Xenia · 27/08/2018 23:03

I certainly haven't seen it on MN, thankfully.
(Can't find the Telegraph article so far but it's hard to search sometimes)

heresyandwitchcraft · 27/08/2018 23:04

Reading this thread is making me go through stages of grief.
It actually breaks my heart that trans-activists think that any gender-critical woman would be happy about the revelations of this weekend.
I am so upset and angry.
I hate saying: "I told you so," in the context that our instincts were right about these dangers. Because it means an innocent person has been gravely hurt at the hands of narcissistic adults with poor judgment.

Safeguarding failures, victim-blaming, and people in power trying to minimize the gravity of the case while washing their hands of responsibility do not make me feel any form of joy. Quite the opposite. This is a tragedy in the truest sense of the word.

Thank you to all you brave posters for doing this work.

Especially amalfimamma for the dogged research, and amalfimamma and boreofwhabylon for reporting the appalling breach of anonymity...

And I agree with LangCleg - the overreaches, cover-ups and borderline-fascistic tactics of the most extremist trans activists risk provoking the ire of some very unsavoury characters on the far-right. And then trans acceptance will take many steps back. This could be a very dangerous situation. TRAs should theoretically prefer to have a talk with the mothers, lesbians, transsexuals, and middle-aged ex-Guardian readers who still wear Birkenstocks who just want to meet to ask some questions about keeping their kids safe. Not the white-supremacist uniformed violent crazy men who I fear might jump in if this escalates....

AngryAttackKittens · 27/08/2018 23:04

DARVO again.

Charliethefeminist · 27/08/2018 23:05

Google telegraph lgbt?

NameChangedAgain18 · 27/08/2018 23:11

the overreaches, cover-ups and borderline-fascistic tactics of the most extremist trans activists risk provoking the ire of some very unsavoury characters on the far-right. And then trans acceptance will take many steps back. This could be a very dangerous situation. TRAs should theoretically prefer to have a talk with the mothers, lesbians, transsexuals, and middle-aged ex-Guardian readers who still wear Birkenstocks who just want to meet to ask some questions about keeping their kids safe. Not the white-supremacist uniformed violent crazy men who I fear might jump in if this escalates....

The comments on the Brietbart article give a flavour of that. Those people are actually transphobic, and many of them clearly equate transgender with paedophile.

FermatsTheorem · 27/08/2018 23:14

The Telegraph suddenly seems to have gone full throttle GC, after months of ducking the issue (barring a few side-swipes in Deacon's column).

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/27/transgender-activists-accused-attempting-shut-downdebate/ Transgender activists accused of attempting to shut down debate - women's minister Victoria Atkins' comments urging caution, supported by MP Tim Loughton (didn't James Kirkup say there were a lot of GC MPs but thus far they hadn't stuck their heads above the parapet - looks like Aimee may have been the impetus for them to finally stand up and be counted), with background from James Caspian and Frank Furedi. References the Tavistock, also Nick Bowles MP saying though he supports LGBT it's important not to shut down debate.

Also a comment piece by James Kirkup. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/27/victoria-atkins-deserves-praise-not-vilification-speaking-transgenderism/ - a quick snippet "This is an area where doubts, criticisms and even simple questions are suppressed and silenced. Where people who have concerns and queries about things that affect their lives, families and rights are often left scared to speak. It is the silencing of debate that led me to start researching this topic earlier this year; in almost 20 years at Westminster, I’d never come across an issue where so many senior people were so reluctant to air publicly their private concerns." The comments are overwhelmingly critical of trans issues (and although not as extreme as Breitbart do suggest that there might be quite a nasty backlash in the offing - something I've been saying on here for years - that genuine transexuals are going to be thrown to the wolves by the end results of the TRAs' extremism, which lest anyone be in any doubt, I think is a terrible outcome; I have known and liked a number of genuine, old-school transsexuals who are just trying to live their lives as best they can without harming anyone else). Also, there are signs that the backlash will also encompass biological women.

Aimee Challenor seems to have suddenly provided the impetus for people including MPs to speak out publicly - but it looks like it may be a case of "sow the wind, reap the whirlwind", and there may be collateral damage.

AmberLangslow · 27/08/2018 23:16

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Carrrotsandcauliflower · 27/08/2018 23:17

Tom Loughton from the above link.
“My concern is that those who have a political agenda seem to want to sacrifice the welfare of children on the altar of political correctness and equalities whereas every child needs to be respected and supported in their own right. This is about individuals, not other people’s agendas.”

FermatsTheorem · 27/08/2018 23:17

NB, can't find an article on the Telegraph site directly covering Challenor, and I've had quite a good look.

(Apologies btw, the links in my previous post are behind a paywall, and unlike the Times, the Telegraph doesn't do share tokens, though I think you can sign up with email to read a certain number of articles).

AngryAttackKittens · 27/08/2018 23:20

Yep, I think Aimee will turn out to be the first domino that knocks down all the others. Which is why TRAs have been trying so hard to keep a lid on this story (not because they care about the potential impact on transsexuals, or women, or the gay community, but because it will shut down self-ID).

Wanderabout · 27/08/2018 23:22

Amber I don't think it's a good idea to share the link to it in the context of this thread in case it highlights individuals who were affected.

Miffer · 27/08/2018 23:22

AmberLangslow

Why would you want to see that?

It's in the public domain in a technical sense but it is anonymised and it was never intended that the family should be recognisable. The only reason that it now is by piecing things together and although I don't know enough to say if it's legal to start linking it it's definitely not in the spirit of the law to start publicly dissecting it in the context of this story.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/08/2018 23:22

Can someone find a way to share the Kirkup article? I've hit my article limit.

Wanderabout · 27/08/2018 23:24

Good on Tom Loughton and thanks to him for speaking up.

An MP who thinks voters children's health and wellbeing matter more than the risk of being called a bigot. Hurrah.