Goat dies after violent attack by men **Title edited by MNHQ - distressing article in OP post**

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pregnant-goat-dies-after-being-12998644

Fucking horrific. And thank you to the Metro for publishing this act of sexual assault and animal cruelty under the "weird sex" section.

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with men. How do 8 men find each other that would willing rape a pregnant goat to death? If there aren't loads of disgusting men out there how do gang rapes happen? coincidence that ab inch of disgusting bastards were together?

Upton, I do not think the MNHQ is going to allow that much goady fuckery even from you.

But but but it makes them sad when women don't pay attention to them! You're so mean!

If we keep poking do you think they'll throw their toys out of the pram in an entertaining way?

Spitting their dummies out, wailing and soiling themselves.

Again, for those following along at home, this all started with a thread about a group of men raping and killing a goat. Which apparently needed the attention of the Men's Reputation Defence Squad.

I was talking about the fact that whenever somebody mentions that men are at much higher risk of assault, somebody always says "but it's other men doing the attacking". My point is that it likely isn't much of a consolation to the guy that got assaulted or to the vast majority of non-violent males who comprise the majority of victims of the violent minority's violent acts

I still don't get your point. Who has suggested that as a consolation? Why on earth would it be a consolation?

The statement about men being at greater risk of violence than women always gets trotted out. Whilst true I have no idea what it is supposed to prove or what point there is in this sort of discussion beyond reinforcing the point about male violence. Men are at risk of violence from other men.

Toot tu do toot! (played on a small cornet)

They arrive!

I imagine them pretending to steady up imaginary horses while clacking coconut shells like Monty Python's The Holy Grail.

Radia Perlman's major contribution to Computing Science, the Spanning Tree Protocol, was on my degree syllabus. The first ever programmers of an electronic computer, the ENIAC Sixq, were all women maths graduates. Grace Hopper chaired the committee that designed Cobol, although whether Cobol was a good development is debatable. I'm a database application developer and I do actually know something about the history of computing without having to search, and there's at least one female Linux/Unix admin on this board. We are proof that women can be technically-minded.

Women are involved in building railways right now, as civil engineers, surveyors, geologists, and track workers. I saw a woman fixing points as part of a track maintenance crew just a couple of weeks ago. So yes, women would have been involved in building the Union Pacific (and the East and West Coast Mainlines, and the Settle-Carlisle), had they been allowed to.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Until I saw the film Hidden Figures I did not realize that NASA and other organizations called the women who did the calculations for them "computers".
So basically computers were named after women.

2 women per week in the UK murdered by their male partners.
So many more women raped or beaten by men

Men are at far lower risk of assault in the home, or beung murdered by their partner
... unless that partner is also a man

Men fear: getting laughed at by women, or having to pay child support to women

Women fear: getting raped or murdered by men, their children being raped or murdered by men.

Men are indeed the majority in the police and armed forces
They (sometimes) protect women from violent crimes committed by other men and have very bravely defended the country against being attacked by the armed forces, mostly men, of other countries.

bewilderness the use of the word for women doing calculations goes back even further. Prior to electronic computers, in the 19th century the Admiralty used human mathematicians to work through the complex algorithms needed to draw up tide tables - and many were women home workers, who would get a bundle of calculations to be carried out through the post, sit at home doing them in odd moments, then post the results back. It was a very "female-friendly" job for the time. It could be done from home, in odd bits of time in between one's other duties.

Animal abuse is certinly not a new thing.
I lived in the counry as a child, over 50 years ago and there were reports then locally of animals being tortured and mutilated; it's just the sexual details were not spoken of, until I reached adulthood.

I remember being shocked about 35 years ago, when a volunteer from a local animal welfare charity told me they had to report to social services any torture or sexual abuse of an animal, if there were children in the home.

The risk factor for child abuse in a home where there is severe animal abuse has evidently been known for a long time.
It is just that knowledge of that risk is spreading more now.

Men fear:getting laughed at by women, or having to pay child support to women

I'd say that getting stabbed, bottled, head stamped on, pint glass in the face etc are bigger worries and things that mainly happen to men. Of course, domestic violence is equally horrible but it's not like men don't suffer their fair share of assaults. For example, my partner had his nose broken by a headbutt after accidentally spilling a drunk guy's pint when he was in his 20s. Still looks a bit wonky lol.

Yeah, but the point is, Upton, who's doing the glassing, bottling, head stamping, etc? It's not women.

The original quote (which I think was Dworkin) was specifically about the asymmetry between the sexes. It goes something along the lines of "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."

It may well be the case that in addition to being afraid that women might laugh at them, men are also (with good reason) afraid that other men will physically assault them. But it's irrelevant to a feminist analysis of the asymmetry in the power relations between men and women. Male on male violence is indeed a terrible thing, but that's not what's being talked about here.

I thought the quote was Margaret Atwood - not 100% sure now..

Bringing up male on male violence to obfuscate male violence against women is very close to advocating 'women as human shields'.

You're probably right, Clarice. I think it might have been Atwood.

Why is it, every time we have a thread about male violence, people come on and tie themselves in knots trying to excuse it or minimise it or act like it's ok really because many thousands of years ago men actually did something useful? Even people like Upton who has admitted her partner was DIRECTLY AFFECTED by male violence is still minimising it with NAMALT!

It's so tiresome. Men need to stop getting defensive and start doing something about their violence and aggression. And women need to stop trying to preserve men's feelings with NAMALT!

I know I can't thread police, but I would beg all of you to just ignore the MRAs please. They fucking love it when you engage. If they need mummies to chat to they can leave their basement and hassle their own mothers.

Apropos of nothing, it's my belief that Kleenex will never go out of business.

I agree

Thread title should be edited again to say that "Goat dies after being raped by eight men and Men complain it makes them look bad."

I do think it's interesting that @mnhq let goady MRAs on the site to tell us that women are just basically inept because we didn't' make anything but if he had said the exact same thing about any other marginalised group he'd be POOF gone. Why is it that we accept sexism as not so bad?

Why not ask why there weren't more black people in universities in the American south in 1830? the mind boggling stupidity of MRAs and the fact they aren't here to discuss feminism or parenting means that should be booted off. They are here purely on the windup I don't get it.

I might report that post and ask MNHQ to change it to that roger!

First of all I am not an "MRA" - the main thing that offends me about MRA type websites is that they compile news reports and social media posts that they present as evidence of the "nature" of women. The comments underneath such posts will have tonnes of men chiming in that "AWALT" (i looked this up and it seems to me "All Women Are Like That") or that "women are f*cked in the head" etc.

This thread is just the same - find something terrible men have done, present it as evidence that men are terrible and need to do more to stop male violence.

I point out that men already do more than women to stop other men doing things they don't like and you seem to get angry and say it's not enough. I agree it would be nice if ISIS would just go away if we told then how upsetting we all find their activities, but this does not work and it never has. So what actually are you proposing should happen ?

Are men who are in jail because the committed crimes against women there because a woman put them there and stops them getting out ?

So short of getting men to build more jails, and fill them them with other men (who they then need to keep in there - what is your answer ?

As noted - I had no problem with the thread title.

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