Goat dies after violent attack by men **Title edited by MNHQ - distressing article in OP post**

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pregnant-goat-dies-after-being-12998644

Fucking horrific. And thank you to the Metro for publishing this act of sexual assault and animal cruelty under the "weird sex" section.

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with men. How do 8 men find each other that would willing rape a pregnant goat to death? If there aren't loads of disgusting men out there how do gang rapes happen? coincidence that ab inch of disgusting bastards were together?

I think if all rules, both written and unwritten, that uphold society were to break down, millions upon millions of men would be absolutely barbaric.

Agree OP I often think, how did 8 men meet who were all willing to rape a pregnant goat to death? Did they meet to discuss/plan it? Several of them doing it so they all wanted to have a go?? Society around them giving them the ok/can do what they want??

It does make me wonder what people are capable of.

You realise that it would be a very large coincidence that a very small minority of men just happened to end up on the same football team. Or in the same village outside the goat farmers house.

Indeed yes. The 'just a few bad men' claim does not ring true, particularly with so many pack rapes. There are more bad ones out there than most women/people want to contemplate.

I think if all rules, both written and unwritten, that uphold society were to break down, millions upon millions of men would be absolutely barbaric.

War time. Rapefest. All sides raping the women and children of all sides.

The Jodie Foster film The Accused springs to mind. Although in that one at least ONE man had a conscience and refused to take part. Men all egging each other on while they commit sadistic acts like it's all one huge laugh....they're repellant! 🤬🤬

This is fucking disgusting. As is the need to cry 'women do it too' and namalt' tbh.

I think if all rules, both written and unwritten, that uphold society were to break down, millions upon millions of men would be absolutely barbaric.

As another pointed out, it already happens in war. I do wonder why women go along with "prepping". If the shit hits the fan I am not sticking around for the aftermath.

Yes, war time, of course! The Red Army was notorious for this.

Yes. It is scary. I don't know if any of you know what I mean, but on occasion I have noticed a man's eyes become sort of fixed, cold and predatory when they have seen me- always in contexts where I have been wandering off the beaten path where no one could hear me scream. They looked at me like i am their providence - like some sort of easy prey to save effort of hunting. Sometimes the look would soften and they'd smile and say something kindly and move on, but for that split second I could see their animal nature. Other times I would say something direct and confident to humanise myself then walk steadily on rather than running so as not to trigger them into chasing me.
I no longer wander off the beaten path by myself any more BTW.

But you see it in that split second. I reckon sometimes a group of men get the same predator impulse with an 'are you thinking what i'm thinking?' understanding frisson running between them which spurs them to act more forcefully than if they were acting alone, much to the suffering of women, children, goats and so on.

riiiiight, Carol Adam's book The Sexual Politics of Meat, draws a very explicit link between meat-eating and the treatment of women. It's a few decades old now, but worth a read. PETA makes the same connection, but in, what I think is an exploitative fashion, with its naked women protests.

This story leaves a heavy wright on my heart. The poor animal dying in pain and terror.

The point made above that it wasn't 8 "bad" men, who planned to get together and do something despicable, but 8 ordinary men willing to do something so horrible because of peer pressure or excitement or whatever, is important, if deeply disturbing.

It's not just those 8 men. Chances are there were other men around who saw but didn't participate, or intervene.

If there were 8 men in a community willing to do something so awful, there were probably many others who might have been willing or persuaded had they been there.

It goes to the heart of why women are so afraid of men; you can't tell by looking who's a good guy and who has a moral compass so cracked they'd rather hurt you than stand up to their peers.

Because when they do stand up to their peers they are not hailed as heroes but excoriated as traitors. Look at the My Lai massacre or the murder of the Janabi family and the rape and murder of their 14 year old daughter in Iraq.

My only hope for the future is that humankind makes itself extinct. I have a rather dim view of us as a species anyway, but the increase in casual cruelty, to each other and to all other living creatures and life forces, is breathtaking. We're so casual about it all. This has always been the case, it's not a new thing. Lets face it, entertainment in Henry VIII's time was dogs set against bulls, or bears, or cock fights. We pay fortunes to watch boxers punch the crap out of each other, in the name of "sport". People dress up in red jackets and take their dogs on a nice horsey ride so they can tear a living fox to shreds.

We're a cruel species. We kill for entertainment. We hurt for entertainment. We amuse ourselves with blood, and gore, and other's pain. I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy and beyond is that none of it has tried to contact us.

Genuine questions here :

1. Who do you think will drag these freaks out of their homes and force them into a confined space ?

2. Who will stop them getting out of said space with deadly force if needs be ?

3. Who will be handcuffed to these maniacs whilst they sit in the dock and are given a fair hearing ?

4. Who invented the system whereby they get a fair hearing and are not subject to summary justice ?

5. White men in western europe who need to "do more about this" should do what ?- take over other these less civilised countries and have them live by our laws ?

Men are well aware that men can be dangerous that is why they invented laws, legal frameworks, police forces and prisons - systems to give men (and now women) a say in what those laws are and what they punishments should be for those who deviate from them. This is called "civilisation".

What do you think could be done differently ? What are you all doing to directly control and remove the threat posed by violent men ? Telling all men (including the ones who risk their lives for our civilisation and country) that they are responsible and getting angry that they feel insulted by that ?

You are all spectacularly naive.

You are all spectacularly naive.

Women know that we are as much in danger from white knights as we are from dark rogues.

Btw the 'dark' is referring dark deeds.

@WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice can I steal that?

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So you're saying that you would rather that men actually did do nothing about other violent men who break the law ? Do you think that laws are a waste of time ? Do think that the laws men came up with are stupid and should be struck from the statute book ? What laws would you have instead ? How would you have them enforced ?

I would contend that by and large we live in the most civilised time in human history, and that men work incredibly hard to keep a lid on violence and murder.

If men should share collective blame for atrocities should they also share collective praise and thanks for the good things ? If not, why not ?

Please feel free rebel

If men should share collective blame for atrocities should they also share collective praise and thanks for the good things ? If not, why not ?*

Oh come on - men ALWAYS try to take the credit for other men's inventions and good works. If I had a pound for every time a man reminded us that it was MEN who invented most things (totally ignoring that women were denied a university education and not even allowed to patent in their name) I'd be a very rich woman!

Funnily enough, none of them are quite so ready to share the collective blame for all the destruction and devastation men have wreaked upon women, children and animals.

So you're saying that you would rather that men actually did do nothing about other violent men who break the law?
I'm saying men and women together should find ways to deal with violent men who break the law. That will help to ensure the response will be responsible, ethical and appropriate and not one that perpetuates or widens inequality between women and men.

Do you think that laws are a waste of time ?
No. They are essential for restraining the powerful from exploiting and abusing their power over the less powerful. Although they still need re-jigging to meet this ideal.

Do think that the laws men came up with are stupid and should be struck from the statute book?
Some yes, others no.

What laws would you have instead?
The Sex Discrimination Act and other equality laws have be campaigned for by women.

How would you have them enforced?
Better than they are now. It is ongoing.

I would contend that by and large we live in the most civilised time in human history
Indeed. The emancipation of women has benefitted the whole of society.

and that men work incredibly hard to keep a lid on violence and murder.
This is a bit iffy really though isn't it? I know this could seem provocative, but many men who perpetrate domestic violence are in the armed forces or in the police.

If men should share collective blame for atrocities should they also share collective praise and thanks for the good things?
I am not sure if 'blame' is the right word. Perhaps 'take collective responsibility' is more appropriate. Also men regularly take credit for women's work and minimise the value of women's input, so to give thanks and praise to men for the 'good things' probably translates in the real world as 'allow men to take credit for women's achievements'.

If not, why not?
The time has come for men to take collective responsibility for wrongdoings of their sex and make meaningful reparations.

X posted countrygirl

The time has come for men to take collective responsibility for wrongdoings of their sex and make meaningful reparations.

Really ? Seems to me to be the view of a very tiny minority.

Seems to me to be the view of a very tiny minority.

Please explain

The very idea of a class of people taking collective responsibility for crimes they have not committed is abhorrent to the vast majority of people - whether they are members of that class or not.

Nonsense sawdust. All men benefit from those among them who are violent, particularly to women. All men benefit from women being subordinate. So yes...men bloody well SHOULD stand up and do something about it! It is THEIR sex causing untold problems and suffering yet they do fuck all to stop it.

They could stop it tomorrow if they wanted. But they don't. Because they like it too much.

There have been a number of violent and brutal sex attacks in India. It’s a huge, huge problem there. The statistics are shocking.

I don't accept any of that. It's you that is spouting nonsense.