Jess Bradley, first transgender student officer, suspended after flashing photos

[CaitlynsCat]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

"Shocking images on the site show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage, in a public park and at a bus stop.

Another photograph shows male genitals being exposed in an office close to a curved wooden desk that is strikingly similar to a picture of a work desk that Ms Bradley posted on her Facebook page. "

The photo have been archived on archive.is, you can search there under the domain exhbitionizm.tumblr.com and include lots of flashing shots.

Bradley has commented:

" I appreciate at this time there is a lot of speculation about my conduct and I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent. "

Thanks R0wan (again). Unfortunately I can't open that video link but I'm sure someone else will be able to. I think this is the kind of stuff we need to comb through.

It's relevant to this thread because many people are trying to argue that sexual anatomy is a natural and ever present threat to women and that makes Jess Bradley somehow worse than any other pervert, and evidence that trans people aren't real. Trans people are the natural consequence of a society that tries to organise itself with an unnatural binary gender system

Yet again with the conflation of sex and gender. I suppose trying to confuse people is all you've got.

The suggestion made by the whistleblower that trans organisations know about this kind of behaviour - see also Fionne Orlander's tweets in Lang's post.

Yes. All the derailments are successfully misdirecting us from this important aspect. Institutional compliicity.

Instead of getting distracted by nonsense - Geneva Convention! Evil 19th century colonialists! - let's think about this for a minute. The party making the Bradley allegation regards itself as a whistleblower, providing information already known to groups and organisations. Yet nobody quietly removed Bradley from post. Why not?

Why not indeed? There are multiple potential explanations, none of which make the movement or the associated organizations look good at all.

Actually, the book being referred to is really, really interesting and so is its sequel. I'm not sure it quite says what genderskeptic says it says, but it is worth far more than the reductio ad absurdum happening above. Just saying.

'Gender' is a cultural construct so may be changed - for good or ill - by colonialism. But sex isn't. Sex is a natural binary.

Yoruba society is an example of somewhere that women were not oppressed by men. Their language doesn't even have different words for boys/girls, brothers/sisters etc. Any analysis of the society finds that historically, prior to colonisation, there was no difference in status or participation, no division down lines of sexual anatomy.

JFC.

1. this means the society wasn't sexist, not that the society didn't know what sex was.

2. this has nothing to do with a prominent transactivist being alleged to be a flasher

This thread is about Jess Bradley. Got anything to say about Jess Bradley and the allegations of public indecency? Got anything to say about public indecency being a gateway crime?

That is a massive concern to me - that people knew about Bradley’s predelictions and still allowed them to take/keep high profile posts. Where was the due diligence from the organisations which have feted Bradley?

I'm more than willing to accept that there were some societies historically that were less sexist than others but, and this part is important, that wasn't because people in those societies weren't aware of how human reproductive biology works and that there is a group that can get pregnant and another group that can impregnate people in the first group.

The party making the Bradley allegation regards itself as a whistleblower, providing information already known to groups and organisations. Yet nobody quietly removed Bradley from post. Why not?

This is what I want to know too. And I don't care how many threads or derails it takes.

YetAnotherSpartacus thank you! I'm glad there are a few people around here with their heads screwed on.

Institutional complicity is a serious part of this. I've seen rumours somewhere that the legal threats started long before the daily mail and the sun got involved. Was she holding hostage trans organisations that run on a shoestring budget and couldn't afford the financial risk of standing up to her?

"" people are trying to argue that sexual anatomy is a natural and ever present threat to women and that makes Jess Bradley somehow worse than any other pervert, and evidence that trans people aren't real.""
Men because of their anatomy and socialisation are an ever present threat to women.
Jess is not worse than any other pervert, she's a pervert, with a male body and socialisation. Same as most other perverts.
The only thing that makes her worse is that she is using a position of relative power to break down women's boundaries and protections from people like herself in the law.
One pervert in women's spaces is one too many. We dont want Jess or people like her in our spaces.

many people are trying to argue that sexual anatomy is a natural and ever present threat to women

Quite simply, yes.
I don't think any arguments about sociology or history or whatever are going to change this fact. Regardless of identity, there are enough males who use their penises to attack females that we have sex-segregated spaces to make females safer. Anyone who disputes this should have their motives examined.

That is a massive concern to me - that people knew about Bradley’s predelictions and still allowed them to take/keep high profile posts. Where was the due diligence from the organisations which have feted Bradley?

Exactly. If these allegations prove to be founded in fact and those photos and blogposts are Bradley's, and this was known widely by people who allowed Bradley to continue to represent them and/or advise government and the NHS - what does this say about those groups?

This isn't only about Bradley.

It's relevant to this thread because many people are trying to argue that sexual anatomy is a natural and ever present threat to women and that makes Jess Bradley somehow worse than any other pervert, and evidence that trans people aren't real.

No one is saying either of those things and you know it. Jess Bradley told women they were bigoted etc for worrying about certain types of behaviour in their safe spaces, whilst all the while apparently carrying out those types of behaviour themselves.

I think you know jolly well what the problem is here and are having to use straw men and derailing tactics in order to try and argue against it. Because otherwise, you got nothing.

You're all so mean pointing out that this person is flailing desperately rather than meekly changing the topic as they'd hoped

It is very flaily....i mean its actually hard to miss

Even i can see it

(There are some posters that are very good at derailing....its a rok of art in some case, but not this one)

Floisme

The party making the Bradley allegation regards itself as a whistleblower, providing information already known to groups and organisations. Yet nobody quietly removed Bradley from post. Why not?

genuinely this is something I want to know too. I would at least want this questioned when it came to light and I am genuinely concerned when people volunteer that they are dbs checked and that they understand the responsibility that the post carries.

I'd say that Bradley is a fairly typical, garden variety pervert, the only difference from the standard model being that once declaring a gender identity Bradley was then allowed to access spaces that they would not have been otherwise and was according to at least one woman who worked with them given a level of trust that they clearly did not deserve, entirely as a result of that declared gender identity.

lang

Exactly

I thought that people having contact with the government were supposed to be squeaky clean...does noone do background checks any more

genderskeptic

" Trans people are the natural consequence of a society that tries to organise itself with an unnatural binary gender system."

What utter rubbish! Have a read:

4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/

Predators lie about their motives.
Women only spaces keep the majority of predators away from the majority of prey.

We'll keep saying it until people get it.

Glad you seem to have got a new phone bespin

Your posts used to be very hard to read with the random typos and weird punctuation (almost as bad as mine )

They are much easier to read now

If you think anatomy itself is a threat to women, surely that means you've given up any hope of anything ever changing? Why even be a feminist?

On the other hand, if you accept that there is nothing innate about misogyny and sexual violence, and that anyone can be a perpetrator of abuse or an enabler of an abuser, the path forward is quite clear. Collective responsibility amongst all people to unlearn the violent system that keeps us all trapped in the cycle of abuse. That system is gender. We can chuck the whole thing out, start from scratch with raising children as children, not as boys and girls.

I believe that what the whistleblower is suggesting is that checks still exist, but that whatever information they turned up that was a concern was then disregarded in this case. Which is precisely what GC women have been worried would happen.

genderskeptic

You really do need to learn about the history of transsexualism ... created by medics from the 1950s ... men who transition are mostly expressing a sexual fetish.