Excellent counter-view to ROGD

[garam]

Usually when you see hashtags about a diagnosis that doesn't stem from the medical establishment, you would be right to be dubious.
The anti-vaxxers are a good comparison.

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We remember the Satanic Abuse scandal.

Tavistock and Portland use the term - it’s not made up by mothers on Mumsnet.

The medical profession quite often don't acknowledge illness whether mental or physical

For years in some cases

So it means nothing...less than nothing

Safeguarding, safeguarding, safeguarding.

The Tavi doesn't use, or have it on a book as a clinical diagnosis.

Some people who work at the Tavi have commented on it, and the Tavi uses the opinions of freudian pyschologists instead of modern understanding.

Like I said, no GIS is pushing or starting hashtags of ROGD, in fact no medical establishment is doing that.

#ROGD stems from forums like this, not any experienced medical institution.

Oh this is a good one! Did it take a while to come up with? I just LOVE seeing what you guys all come up with as the next ‘SCIENCE SAYS!’ Stuff.

I can’t wait for future releases.

‘Being against confidential disclosure is LITERALLY LIKE the Tunguskee experiments!’

Honestly, I’d love to listen to the thoughts processes.

Anyway... back in the world of peer reviewed science, objectively anchored reality and caring about safeguarding, no it isn’t.

Null points. I know it’s hot but really.

Tavistock and Portland use the term - it’s not made up by mothers on Mumsnet

You will, of course, be able to link to that on the Tavistock and Portman GIC website and show where use of that term has been authorised by the health authority, rather than used in a personal capacity by two psychologists who immediately contradicted their use of the term by showing that the person in question continued in their transition and was perfectly happy not only with doing so, but happy with their transition on all measured outcomes.

How are you doing, Bowl?

garam

Are you not interested in finding out what causes such a distressing condition as gender dysphoria? A condition which causes its sufferers to self harm and contemplate suicide. Why do you want to provide a 'counter view' to others' hypotheses, rather than analysing them and seeing if there is any useful information and any useful strategies that could be used to alleviate the suffering of so many young people?

So this massive rise in teenage girls announcing they're trans, when they're often struggling with autism or sexual assault....what was there something in the water during their mothers' pregnancies?

Ok then

Is this suggesting the Tavistock is being informed or paid off by “far right US fundies”?
Because that’s a pretty bold claim.

Can you express exactly what about ROGD is so threatening?

Is it the idea that natural pubertal identity seeking can fixate in many different ways?
Or the idea that the rapid onset (for example ten girls in one school) implies social contagion?
Or the fact that it exposes direct-to-child online ‘marketing’ from YouTube influencers?

I’m curious. Do tell us why ROGD isn’t a thing. And why the multiple parents on here who have experienced it are wrong. The latter especially

ME for example

That wasnt seen as an illness when it came up

Nobody in the medical profession acknowledged it

In fact some in the medical profession STILL don't acknowledge it

and the Tavi uses the opinions of freudian pyschologists instead of modern understanding.

Are you trying to discredit this clinic?
What is your medical background?

I’m boiling hot, my feet are the size of a small melon, I’m in considerable pain and in the mood for arguing science, my dear Empress.

Bring.it.on.

SpartacusAutisticus
It's a counterview that I see as worthwhile.
Whilst I don't expect the usual faces to accept a word of it, thats not the point.

The point is for other people who are open minded to have another viewpoint on here.

I don't know how to say this, but trans adults, are ex-trans kids.
Trans adults understand this issue perfectly well, and are without doubt the most important voices in this debate.

Again, the usual faces on here will point all manner of slurs at the trans community as to why they are pushing back against ROGD.

But the most important experience to listen to is trans people, who simply want to protect younger generations from the same pain they experienced as a trans kid.

What benefit is there to discrediting ROGD (and parents' experience of it)?

UglyCathKidstonBag

Two pyschologists connected to the Tavi wrote a paper last week, citing Freud as references for their hypothesis.

What I said is common knowledge and evidenced fact.

Whilst I don't expect the usual faces to accept a word of it,

The ones with the medical/scientific background? Who are qualified to examine such evidence and critique it?

Or the parents seeking help on here for their children? The ones who have seen it first hand?

What do you say to those parents?

What’s your actual scientific and medical argument?

Other than antivax = bad, and I’ve decided to use the two concepts together in a sentence to link them in someone’s minds?

"the opinions of freudian psychologists instead of modern understanding"

Can we unpick this please. Are you suggesting that the Tavistock use the opinions of actual, qualified psychologists rather than self-identified trans "experts". Or are you saying something else?

There's an awful lot of disregarding medical expertise here isn't there?

Sorry, x-post CathKidston

"the opinions of freudian psychologists instead of modern understanding

Define modern understanding please.

Anti vaxxing isn't really a good example. Like the claim that humans can change sex, it has no basis in science.