Excellent counter-view to ROGD

[garam]

Usually when you see hashtags about a diagnosis that doesn't stem from the medical establishment, you would be right to be dubious.
The anti-vaxxers are a good comparison.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1021324454067163136.html

"If you click on the thread, then google the person who wrote that thread on Twitter, you get to an anime site called deviantART. "

You mean the DeviantArt that I've already referred to in a post above.

The DeviantArt that is (and I'll just copy-paste this bit) "One of the biggest sites featuring original photography, digital art, traditional art, literature, and filmmaking, and also one of the world's largest repository of free-to-use stock imagery and photography.

Got it's name because "DeviantArt started as a site connected with people who took computer applications and modified them to their own tastes, or who "deviated" the applications from the original designs. As the site grew, members in general became known as "deviants" and submissions as "deviations""

The site here: www.deviantart.com

Noted for it's anime collection of, mmm, what do we have a here:

free stock photo of a cat about to drink from a river

live scene photo of a dog wrapped in a blanket

journals contributors to the site keep of their lives

Yep, that all looks like anime to me, hastag 'biggest sarcasm mark ever'

In fact, let's have a look at their menu. 20 options. 1 for anime. That's a site obsessed with anime alright (even bigger hashtag).

Funny how I was willing to link the site, but you weren't.

Is it because those ad hominem attacks turn out to be baseless, after all?

I realise you hold strong feelings on animé but this really isn’t the point of the thread.

Its so true, Datun, most women have a moment of ROGD, that first time when you are catcalled or wolfwhistled when you are on your way to buy an ice lolly in your shorts and t shirt at age 12,13,14.

My daughters both verbalised that moment,
'Is this what it's going to be like?'
'Is this what men are do?'

No girl wants that attention.
It's the death of childhood for them.

But I imagine autogenophiles would cream their wives panties at the very idea someone would catcall them.

Honestly, this assault on our daughters' psychological health by trans ideology makes me sick.

Does anyone have any idea what IcyNoII is trying to prove?* I can see that they're arguing about something and they seem to be pleased about something but it's, well, pointless in terms of the thread.

I assume IcyNoII* knows but that might not actually be the case.

I thought you got steakhouses icy!

😂

Usually when you see hashtags about a diagnosis that doesn't stem from the medical establishment, you would be right to be dubious

This is a non-starter. No-one is claiming ROGD is a diagnosis; it's a phenomenon that concerned parents and professionals, who have actual experience and knowledge of child development, are asking to be researched and investigated. There's nothing inaccurate or even necessarily inflammatory about the term. If a child who has hitherto been contented with their sex suddenly isn't once they are teens, then what is it other than a rapid onset of gender dysphoria. Are you claiming that parents have just failed to notice that their child didn't like being a girl as a 6 year old?

Transactivists wish to claim that young people have not hitherto had the words or understanding to know they were trans until their classmates came out as trans or they saw a youtube video or tumblr post.

So, why is it so difficult for them to accept that that there could be another reason for how the young female is feeling but the only words and framework for understanding their feelings being presented to them is the trans pathway. Adults who care about young people should want the best for young people and not deny them the language or understanding to recognise other reasons for their sudden onset of gender dysphoria. e.g. perhaps going through puberty within a pornified society has brought on body image issues or that the female is actually undiagnosed with ASD (which is known to be commonly missed until a female is in young adulthood) or that they have romantic feelings towards their same sex or they have another psychological issue which might takes years of counseling to unpick and relieve but the only quick solution being presented to them with conviction is changing their sex.

That certain sections of the transgender community are so anti research to investigate the recent 2000% increase in girls identifying as trans (when the ratio used to be something like 1:4 females to males) should ring alarm bells. Happy to throw female adolescents under the bus to fight their own cause. It's sickening.

Where are all the late-onset female identifying as males now that trans acceptance has apparently carved the way for females to come out and express their true identity? Any stats from grown adults to prove the changing ratio? No? Just teenage girls then?

"Datun Let's make it very easy for Garam here's the link :"

Oooh, thank you for the link. Let's see what we've got here:

Drawing based on somebody's stock photo.
Drawing of what looks like the same person in the previous stock photo on a mountain.
Real life photo of a shawl.
Drawing of the same person as before except in front of a pond or lake.
Drawing of same person, from the back.
Bunch of photos.
Story in a journal.
Favourites of drawings of Star Wars, and Avatar

Hmm, not exactly damning evidence of a like of foreign animation, I feel.

Where are all the late-onset female identifying as males now that trans acceptance has apparently carved the way for females to come out and express their true identity? Any stats from grown adults to prove the changing ratio? No? Just teenage girls then?

We're all around - because the fact of the matter is it's hard to find a woman who at some point didn't wish her female body away, often just for a moment. What we didn't have was social media urging us to dwell on it, providing us with lots of examples of other girls feeling the same way - and groups being allowed into school to give talks encouraging girls that it 'probably means you're trans'.

"I was pointing out that the author of that link is a frothing misogynistic who regularly takes pops at mumsnet. And their twitter handle, is the same as an anime site. Which is no surprise. Given the correlation between late transitioning men and anime. "

Still trying to hide your ad hominem attacks behind the now obvious lie that DeviantArt is "an anime site"? Or are you trying to claim that their twitter name is the same as an anime site. TBH you're now so all over the place it's impossible to tell.

But hey, benefit of the doubt and all:

sakuranoseirei.com/ Server IP address could not be found.

So still no anime, and still no explanation of why you find foreign animation so utterly threatening or damning. Would you feel better if they had an interest in Russian animation? Is it just Japan that you have a problem with?

I'm unimpressed with the Roger Irrelevant approach to argumentation on this thread.

It is very dull.

"I thought you got steakhouses icy!"

When I searched google for "Sakura" that's exactly what I found.

The link to the search I performed is in the post I made.

I wonder what it is about your search history that a search for "Sakura" brings up anime?

Not that should be used to judge you, of course.

It’s a confusing turn, for sure.

I think it's very easy to see what the issue is if you frame it thus:

Out of the blue, your early-teen child (so a seething mass of confusion, hormones, mood swings - because this is what all teenagers are like) announces they want to embark on a path which, unchecked, leads to irreversible, life-changing consequences (mastectomy, hysterectomy, sterility).

Do you (a) say "That's a very big deal. Let's talk about it lots, think it through carefully, try to work out where these feelings have come from, and above all, keep remembering that we have loads of time for you to come to the decision, and there's no need to rush into anything, specially something as massive and irreversible as this"?

Or do you, on the advice of some randoms on the internet saying it would be a child safeguarding issue not to "affirm them" (b) point them at a bunch of strangers on the internet saying "Yay, way to go, congratulations. Ignore your parents. Here's how to rush through the process more quickly"?

Even in the absence of any other information whatsoever about the trans debate, surely anyone with half a brain would go for option (a).

Is Viz gender critical I wonder? A less POMO organ you’d be hard pressed to find...

"I realise you hold strong feelings on animé but this really isn’t the point of the thread."

Quite right, and the point I'm making. I've got no idea why Datun is so completely obsessed with the idea that one twitter user who, according to her has no followers and is shouting into the void, might watch anime.

Strange.

You’d think, fermats, wouldnt you?

And yet so many keen to push option b. While simultaneously removing all gatekeeping and need for medicalisation for adults who are predominantly male.

I think I've been the target du jour for a few weeks now.

I ought to let you know icy, I'm unlikely to lose my temper.

Your position with trying to sanitise the link between AGP and anime porn, is noted.

As I said, I don't have anything else to add. My position remains the same.

I'll ask you for the third time, do you have anything to contribute to the subject of the thread?

*"

FermatsTheorem There's little to argue with there. You'd think anyway. No-one without a personal motive would say B.

Or do you, on the advice of some randoms on the internet saying it would be a child safeguarding issue not to "affirm them" (b

And that's the difference between homosexuality and transgenderism.

Which is why conflating the two is deceitful.

"I'll ask you for the third time, do you have anything to contribute to the subject of the thread?"

Yes.

The question as it remains before.

Why did you try to derail the thread by mudslinging and using ad hominem attacks when you know that such behaviour is the kind of thing that makes Mumsnet crack down on the board.

I don't care one way or another the business decisions that Mumsnet makes? The board stays up, the board goes down, all the same to me.

But it's not the same to the users of this board, so why did you post what you did knowing what @MHHQ reaction to this might be?

Icynoll, any chance of engaging with the topic now you've comprehensively convinced everyone that Datun is a thoughtless idealogue?/sarcasm