Who will get to keep the babies born of prison rape?

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Since already identity is more important than sex.

When prisoners are placed in the female estate rather than the male because they identify as female, and perhaps soon natal females will be placed in the male estate because they identify as male, with rape being a fairly common crime perpetrated by people with penises (formally known as males) in prison - prisoners with uteruses (formerly known as women) will most certainly become pregnant within prison walls.

So what do we think will happen to the babies?

Will female prisoners be forced to have abortions?

Will the babies be automatically be taken into state care?

Will there be a demand for these babies because of the shortage of newborns to adopt?

Will there be a pressure on prisoners to turn a blind eye or even be complicit in baby farming to supply the demand?

How is this going to pan out?

Pressure on prison officers - sorry.

Given that babies go missing from children's homes we should be worried.

Indeed. With some of the most disturbing male prisoners being able to manipulate the system and given extraordinary powers and privileges, it could lead to them breeding babies to be sold into sexual abuse. Very easy to hush up behind prison walls.

I think it is more likely there will be forced hormonal contraception.
Seems unconscionable but then if they're willing to lock women up with rapists why assume they won't do that too?

However you handle it, babies being born in prison will be expensive and cost will always be a prime motivator behind the system.

I think it is more likely there will be forced hormonal contraception.

Do you think it will be sold as 'randy cock-loving women prisoners demand contraception for 23 hour bang-up romps in their cells'?

Many prisons have a mother and baby unit, for women who enter prison pregnant and give birth whilst on remand or serving their sentence. I’d imagine this will also be open to women who become pregnant in prison.

Women can keep their babies with them for up to the first 18 months.

In all of the prisons housing pregnant women, arrangements are made for women to give birth in the maternity hospital nearest to the prison and women continue to receive antenatal care while in prison.

Midwives from the local hospital usually visit the prisons regularly and run clinics to provide care for pregnant women.

Once the child is 18 months old, they are cared for outside the prison, usually within the biological mothers extended family. They are very unlikely to be taken into care or adopted , as it’s nearly always best for the child to stay with their family.

Most women are serving short sentences and will hopefully be able to resume care for their child when they leave prison.

As to the rights of the other biological parent of a child born in such circumstances , I can only speculate. Perhaps they will also demand a place in the mother and baby unit so they can receive” maternity care “ and look after the child.

Maybe the state will provide drugs and pumps so they can try to induce lactation and breastfeed.

babies being born in prison will be expensive and cost will always be a prime motivator behind the system.

Maybe it could be a nice little earner. Off the back of relaxing surrogacy laws in the UK so people can farm/buy babies more easily.

Ugh. Yes, it probably will.
Given what a tiny percentage of rape is successfully prosecuted in general, and how much harder it will be for women prisoners to be believed, it's unfortunately fairly obvious that the majority of prison rape won't ever be recognised as such.

God, this is so depressing.

I know of someone who was in prison. She didn't know she was pregnant until she was six months gone.

She had put symptoms and weight gain down to stress and prison food.

She had no access to a pregnancy test. The prison authorities failed in a duty of care whilst she was under their care, to also spot it.

They will have babies who 'just turn up' out of the blue with no prior antenatal care.

Too much time on your hands love

As to the rights of the other biological parent of a child born in such circumstances , I can only speculate. Perhaps they will also demand a place in the mother and baby unit so they can receive” maternity care “ and look after the child.

Maybe the state will provide drugs and pumps so they can try to induce lactation and breastfeed

I bet you they'll be able to wangle it.

They will have babies who 'just turn up' out of the blue with no prior antenatal care.

Exactly.

And often people go through a period of denial after having been raped, so chances are they wouldn't be aware of being pregnant until it is too late for an abortion.

Expect they be more interested in how they document the father than what happens to these poor women and babies who will most likely just be removed as the spaces on the baby units are limited and reliant in how the inmate has behaved.

In the aim of political correctness the money and energy will go on fighting who gets labelled the mother

Given that babies go missing from children's homes we should be worried

... well that's worrying - how, why?!

Er... look I'm as GC as the next radical feminist but this thread is batshit.

Breeding children to sell for sexual abuse? Get ahold of yourselves!

Batshit things have a habit of becoming real. Remember this:
www.independent.co.uk/news/shake-up-for-secure-hospitals-1046530.html

More batshit reality:
www.byline.com/project/68/article/1547

More batshit reality:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/15/surrogacy-is-still-available-to-paedophiles-this-must-change-but-how

We don't breed babies to sell for sex abuse. And we have very clear laws around what happens to babies born in prison which are available to anyone who wants to look them up. And social services are not perfect but they don't breed or sell babies to adopters.

In fact having males in women's prisons is totally fucking insane.

It WILL lead to babies born of prison rape.

What do you think will happen to the babies CertainHalfDesertedStreets ?

We don't breed babies to sell for sex abuse. And we have very clear laws around what happens to babies born in prison which are available to anyone who wants to look them up. And social services are not perfect but they don't breed or sell babies to adopters.

You are working on the assumption that the lobbying to relax adoption/surrogacy laws will be unsuccessful.

What clear laws are there on babies conceived in prison? By rape?

How about what went on in Clwyd? So corrupt from top to bottom they had to change the juristictions boundaries to avoid culpability.

If they need to become 'looked after' they will be subject to a care plan. Someone summarised that upthread. In the vast majority of cases that will lead to them being looked after by family members.

A partner may look after a child who was conceived before entering prison (after the 18 months) but would they be likely to do so with a baby conceived during the sentence?

I too think it is likely hormonal contraceptives will be pushed. Which is not only ethically troubling it has medical implications, given 73% of female prisoners reported a pre-existing condition when entering prison. I haven’t looked into recent stats on obesity for the female prison population but this would need to be looked at too.

Ordinarily a GP would go in more in-depth with these details however considering a considerable number of prisoners are unable to access their regular medication for some very serious conditions the idea that they would be given hormonal contraception with few checks is worrying.
It will always be a cost issue, the medical needs of these women are not currently being met, this addition would be a timebomb.

I honestly don't think that random worst case scenario speculation on what happens to hypothetical babies in hypothetical situations where our entire framework of safeguarding vulnerable children has apparently been torn up is hugely helpful to anyone. Least of all GC feminism.

But you have at it if you feel it's a useful avenue. Just know that it reads like prurient weirdness.

If they need to become 'looked after' they will be subject to a care plan. Someone summarised that upthread. In the vast majority of cases that will lead to them being looked after by family members.

That is obviously heartening. But I imagine more women would want to give their babies up to adoption if they are conceived by prison rape than in other cases of conception.