FWR more unpleasant than ever

[Snappity]

The Talk Guidelines have done little to improve things. The majority of threads are about trans matters and very few, if any, positive. Misgendering is increasingly rife. "They" for a trans woman is as bad as "he".

Even the sex of trans women with female birth certificates is not respected.

There is post after post that trans women are not women and that sex is biological and cannot be changed (totally ignoring that many aspects of sex can be changed).

Then increasingly material from elsewhere which is anti-trans is being linked.

While individual comments are fair enough, the sheer volume means that FWR is a thoroughly unpleasant place for the majority of trans people and those of us who have trans family members.

Intersex women are also repeatedly disrespected with frequent posts that women are XX or are those with female reproductive capacity. It is hugely offensive.

I am going to be here less. The harassment - and I think that is what it is - has driven me away. It is a shame because trans and intersex feminists - indeed trans inclusive feminists - should be as welcome here as any other feminists. If MumsNet believes in debate that means ensuring that one side isn't shouted down - and the sheer volume of people saying that trans women are not women and belong in male spaces (because anyone "male" is a risk to women) is shouting down the other side of the debate.

FWR needs to regain a balance.

We merely picked up the bar and ran with it! It developed in an interesting and rather surreal way, don't you think?

We merely picked up the bar and ran with it!

Oof - be careful - that bar might be heavy. You need the lady bar, made of pink marshmallow. Easy now.

whispers its made of pink plastic

We don't even need to duck under bars, so long as they are set at 5'8 tall, only women can possibly walk under them. It's basically a running race, but with a literal ceiling.

A literal cotton ceiling, Beyond?

I'm 5'9

Does the height limit mean I'm a man?

Oh fuck, this is so fucking funny...

Pfft. I don't run.

Would anyone mind if I take a taxi for the marathon?

socio I'm afraid so. As is katarina Johnson-thompson who, at 6 foot is no longer eligible for the heptathlon and now has to compete in the decathalon instead.

Well,if I'm a man now, I'd better take charge. So, I'm the Big Boss, you others are my Minions and I'm awarding myself all the gold medals. Even those for the glitter flinging and multitasking races.

Met my sister's new boyfriend this evening. He's 6ft 3in, with a beard. According to sister he's definitely male, fully working penis etc.
I'm just wondering if if I can get him to be a woman for a day at a suitable event. Any ideas?

socio - you have made me laugh. Do you have a young child in your family that has recently come out with the delightful rhyme
My name is Bob
I am a goldfish
I have the memory of

Hi my name is Bob
repeat
for 2 bloody hours.

Thank God this young child is actually GC

Sorry socio, I'm gonna pull rank here with my extra inch...

Actually screw it, you can keep the gold medals - I'm gonna create a category that's higher than gold.

My tin foil medal identifies as gold. It's better than gold, more authentic, and doubles as a cover for my roast. I won it for 'messiest house due to mumsnetting'
preens

Can I get a medal for real woman stuff ?
Like having a real period you know one that includes blood
Being harassed and abused by men as soon as I hit puberty
Being gaslighted, ignored or treated like a piece of shit
Being ignored at work because as a woman my views or professional opinions don't count because I'm female

and as some one upthread thinks this is all funny and just a laugh

Shame on you

With that last post Snappity has finally jumped the shark.

Or rather, swam underneath it

I love, love, love that in the midst of all this terribly earnest transgender ideology Vs biological truths debate you delightful irreverent lot still retain your sense of humour :)

Ah, I see this thread took an unexpected turn since I last visited. Thank goodness the women here deflected into humour, so I would not have to think about how bordering on hebephilia the gymnastics 'suggestion' was.

The biggest 'weapon' we have in our arsenal to Peak Trans everyone, is our pro-trans commenters. Brilliant job, keep it up!

Today's soundtrack:

Come on people, think bigger. I'm seeing the Olympics of Staying Alive Longest, a sport at which women are demonstrably better. A race to Stay Out of Prison Longest. Bonus rounds of Not Becoming An Alcoholic and Not Killing Yourself In A Speed-Related Driving Accident. Kind of like the opposite of the Darwin Awards.

Or, for more entertainment-based categories, Producing Most Tears During A Newsclip About Injustice Against Animals. Most Orgasms in a 15 Minute Period. Discerning Subtle Differences in Colour Shades.

Fat Amy mermaid dancing.

If women can't see that sports have been designed to disadvantage women and that the answer is to design sports that eliminate that disadvantage then I despair.

And your masterful solution is Bar Ducking?

Bar. Ducking.

😂😂😂

Or we could just 'eliminate the disadvantage' by, radical thought here, so steady now, brace yourself - sex segregation.

But no.

Bar. Ducking.

Ducking under a bar.

A bar.

Ducking under it.

Or we could roll.

Or we could roll.

Yeah, but then you'd have to get involved in the whole width restriction as well as a height restriction. You know, in order to 'eliminate the disadvantage'.

It's such a puzzle.

Rolling seems dangerously close to commando crawling, which I think would fall into the category of 'sports probably designed to favour men', so I think it's best to retreat back to 'ducking'. Maybe ducking could be alternated with weaving? It might work with the lower centre of gravity.

Getting serious for a moment....I'm assuming bar-ducking is to be done at speed though. Like upside-down hurdling.

Would it be billed as a low-T event only, or would we be expected to have the full-fat version for those with a Napoleonic complex?