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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

FWR more unpleasant than ever

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Snappity · 14/07/2018 06:43

The Talk Guidelines have done little to improve things. The majority of threads are about trans matters and very few, if any, positive. Misgendering is increasingly rife. "They" for a trans woman is as bad as "he".

Even the sex of trans women with female birth certificates is not respected.

There is post after post that trans women are not women and that sex is biological and cannot be changed (totally ignoring that many aspects of sex can be changed).

Then increasingly material from elsewhere which is anti-trans is being linked.

While individual comments are fair enough, the sheer volume means that FWR is a thoroughly unpleasant place for the majority of trans people and those of us who have trans family members.

Intersex women are also repeatedly disrespected with frequent posts that women are XX or are those with female reproductive capacity. It is hugely offensive.

I am going to be here less. The harassment - and I think that is what it is - has driven me away. It is a shame because trans and intersex feminists - indeed trans inclusive feminists - should be as welcome here as any other feminists. If MumsNet believes in debate that means ensuring that one side isn't shouted down - and the sheer volume of people saying that trans women are not women and belong in male spaces (because anyone "male" is a risk to women) is shouting down the other side of the debate.

FWR needs to regain a balance.

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sociopathsunited · 15/07/2018 21:33

Just looked up Sticky Vicky on YouTube....well! She can do exceptional things with sausages.

Ereshkigal · 15/07/2018 21:35

Can't we all Grin

FlippinFumin · 15/07/2018 21:36

Sausages Hmm

AngryAttackKittens · 15/07/2018 21:36

I'll have you know that I do nothing questionable with sausages, on account of being a Sweet Demure Lady.

sociopathsunited · 15/07/2018 21:36

Noooooo don't!!! I've already had to change my knickers! Don't make me wet myself again....

thebewilderness · 15/07/2018 21:39

Can I be in the 'Knowing where things are' event?

I believe that is called the uterus as locator device competition going on in homes all over the world even as we speak.

duckfuckduck · 15/07/2018 21:39

I'm self identifying as a virgin today. Unmentionable things with sausages are not on my agenda.

sociopathsunited · 15/07/2018 21:41

Slices of bread, too. Right out of her fanjo.....toast, anyone?

littlbrowndog · 15/07/2018 21:42

Ima still waiting on the convincing chit chat from the long goodbye

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 15/07/2018 21:47

Crikey, this is like the Barbara Streisand farewell tour...

Anyway, this has all been multiple peaking, so, um, thanks.

Tomorrow, Snappity (Crackle, pop and whoever else is writing this), I suggest you go to a forum for evolutionary biologists and say that as an evangelical conservative you will refuse to debate unless they acknowledge that the world is 5 thousand years old and dinosaur bones were God's little joke. Upset all the biologists who are also Christians and try to be reasonable by telling them they will also burn unless they accept The Word as handed to the sons of Abraham. I think you'll have more fun.

Seriously, though, women will look out for you, the people who your are so keen to appease by throwing our rights (and sport!) under the proverbial bus, will not.

FlippinFumin · 15/07/2018 21:47

I don’t mean to minimise the lovely Vicky but I have been reliably informed that the latest show in Benners is doing the unmentionable on segueways. Not something I could compete at as my balance is shit. I can’t even stand on one never mind anything else Shock

HemanOrSheRa · 15/07/2018 21:50

Nooo. I'd be really good at the ducking under a bar event. I'm only 5ft and a fart. In fact it's possibly my only offer Sad.

sociopathsunited · 15/07/2018 21:51

Woah, segways???? Toot firing from a segway? My life is complete. I wondetr if she runs workshops.

sociopathsunited · 15/07/2018 21:52

At five foot nothing, you can probably just run without ducking. Snappity didn't specify a height for the bar.

Popchyk · 15/07/2018 21:55

"the latest show in Benners is doing the unmentionable on segueways".

Just when you think FWR cannot surprise you further.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 15/07/2018 21:56

DuckFuckDucking under a Daimbar? make it truly a mumsnet event?

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 15/07/2018 21:57

At five foot nothing, you can probably just run without ducking. Snappity didn't specify a height for the bar.

I'm 4'10.5. I have this NAILED Grin

sociopathsunited · 15/07/2018 21:58

Now that's a competitive sport I'd like to see in the Olympics.

AornisHades · 15/07/2018 21:59

There we are then thebewilderness the heats are underway already. Excellent. I will be limberimg up for the Monday morning sprint event if you need me.

Ereshkigal · 15/07/2018 22:00

DuckFuckDucking under a Daimbar? make it truly a mumsnet event?

Grin

And yes Empress you do!

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 15/07/2018 22:04

I'm 5'8". Can I identify as 5' and then complain that the bar isn't being moved accommodate my trans height requirements?

littlbrowndog · 15/07/2018 22:07

Och I just read snappity views on women’s sport.

Sorry had been watching sport.

Ffs snappity. Gymnastics for the ladies.

U having a total total laugh

Wat an insult to say thatbstuff

Sarahconnor1 · 15/07/2018 22:10

I have seen sticky Vicky live...... that's probably a confession too far but she can do interesting things with a light bulb.

And if you will excuse the pun it's been illuminating how many new posters and lurkers that have popped up recently

Brave one and all.

littlbrowndog · 15/07/2018 22:14

I kinda thought it was a pile on on the snappity then I read the stuff bout sport the snappity said

No fecking sympathy now not one bit

Adios snappity

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 15/07/2018 22:14

I will be limberimg up for the Monday morning sprint event if you need me.

Don't you mean limbering down for the 'pick up the toys whilst not treading on Lego as the doorbell goes, the dog bolts out the back door and the toddler pisses on the cat' event?

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