FWR more unpleasant than ever

[Snappity]

The Talk Guidelines have done little to improve things. The majority of threads are about trans matters and very few, if any, positive. Misgendering is increasingly rife. "They" for a trans woman is as bad as "he".

Even the sex of trans women with female birth certificates is not respected.

There is post after post that trans women are not women and that sex is biological and cannot be changed (totally ignoring that many aspects of sex can be changed).

Then increasingly material from elsewhere which is anti-trans is being linked.

While individual comments are fair enough, the sheer volume means that FWR is a thoroughly unpleasant place for the majority of trans people and those of us who have trans family members.

Intersex women are also repeatedly disrespected with frequent posts that women are XX or are those with female reproductive capacity. It is hugely offensive.

I am going to be here less. The harassment - and I think that is what it is - has driven me away. It is a shame because trans and intersex feminists - indeed trans inclusive feminists - should be as welcome here as any other feminists. If MumsNet believes in debate that means ensuring that one side isn't shouted down - and the sheer volume of people saying that trans women are not women and belong in male spaces (because anyone "male" is a risk to women) is shouting down the other side of the debate.

FWR needs to regain a balance.

I'd beat you all hands down at Speed Bathroom Cleaning.

So instead of running over hurdles, have ducking under a bar so that height is a disadvantage

At this point im out. Snappity I'm not sure if you are taking this piss or delusional, but this is pointless

Surely the problem with all these womanly sports is that they will be pretty transphobic?

Surely the problem with all these womanly sports is that they will be pretty transphobic?

That's what I said. However, Snappity has only managed to think of one and that was shit.

You are all crochetphobic with your knitting sports.

Rabbits I agree.

Walking-in-heels-with-a-book-on-your-head World Championships.

Waddling-to-the-loo-when-you-realise-you've-started-your-period-unexpectedly-and-need-to-go-sort-it-out European Qualifiying Series.

Talked-over-by-a-bloke-in-a-meeting-and-feeling-shite Premier League table.

Told-to-shut-up-because-the-definition-of-woman-is-a-shifting-constellation-of-ideas Gold sticker star handmaiden level.

How about the 100 metres in 4in heels and a corset dress?

Sorted.

Hmmmm you could well have a point. So, there are no women's sports at all....I think the plan might be to stop us doing sport so we all get fat and vastly unattractive. No man will want us and, well, whaddaya know, who will take our coveted spots?

100 meter shimmy while singing "I feel pretty".

Oh, oh, oh, nobody has mentioned my favourite yet!

Glitter flinging!

I like these sports that I at almost 60 could also compete at. What about the fastest at taking off the bra without removing her top? Fastest to cast on 60 stitches on knitting needles race? I give you they are not catchy titles mind

Fastest to put nail polish on ten fingers? Trans women could also compete in that.

Biggest Yorkshire pudding baker?

I can see this being snapped up by the IOC.

Or why not just let women compete against other natal women at sports we have enjoyed watching for years.

Or why not just let women compete against other natal women at sports we have enjoyed watching for years.

Which not a single woman actually thinks is "patronising as fuck".

May I take this opportunity to say how much I adorable you all with certain obvious exceptions?
You are killink me!
100 meter shimmy while singing I feel pretty is the event for me!

Quickest tampon change while holding the toilet door shut with one foot and trying not to bang your hip on the sanpro bin...totes open to low T individuals of all genders, obviously.

Biggest Yorkshire pudding baker?
Bring it on!!

Do you need a sparkly skirt for the shimmy? looks hopefully at tub of glitter, desperate to fling it at something

Ducking under a bar ….

Does MN do a Post of the Day award?

Fastest construction of glitter uterus (made via flinging method)?

Giving birth?

And wait wait wait, before you all say WTF, think of the betting possibilities!

Biggest baby, fastest delivery, last one not to cry during breastfeeding? This stuff writes itself.

And then, who can make it home and stay there the fastest? Perhaps make nice cakes and stay away from that workplace place?

I bow to the fact that we have been able to 'killink' thebewilderness!

And that we've been moved to her adorable us all. (thebewilderness as you already know, I adorable you too!)

I'm going for glitter flinging right now for my new chosen sport, given that everything else is 'sigh' for us women!

But all of this, despite those who may fear the humour, shines the light on how ridiculous, irrational and anti-women the original suggestions were.

I love females. And their humour in the face of crap.

Ducking under a bar....THIS is what women have been missing out on all these years! Brilliant.

Keep going Snappity....lots of folks reading, lurking, having their eyes opened to the madness...

I am feeling rather distressed at the speed or skill component that most of you are suggesting in these newly-designed sports.

Doesn't that disadvantage the more idle sedate laydeez like me?

Can't you be more inclusive?

Please solve this issue for me without me having to bother my arse about it.

Competitive lounging?

Well, the winner of the three-legged race definitely won't be a woman.

Personally I will defeat you all in the Peeing whilst changing baby's nappy on my lap and answering questions about dinosaurs at the same time Triathlon