Lesbians react to London Pride

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Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

Interesting. You don't think that by the same token we might risk yet more failures of public protection if we were to hamfistedly overcorrect on other perceived systemic injustices which require us to throw normal safeguarding procedures overboard?

I'm not suggesting that we throw normal safeguarding procedures overboard. If anyone in the transgender community, or any of their allies, was to suggest we do that, I would vehemently disagree. My point is that when we live in a society that allows marginalized groups to be categorised and stereotyped, instead of focusing on individual cases within those groups, then we are putting everyone at risk.

Geraldine

Geraldine

Yes I'll just add to that, you aren't a feminist

lbqt the Muslim community should not have to call out...

the Muslim council denounces terrorism, talks about the issues, accepts that a small minority of muslims may behave incorrectly. This means I find it much easier to maintain a separation between muslims and terrorists.

Aw hugs Geraldine

I'm not suggesting that we throw normal safeguarding procedures overboard

Yes you are. Separation by sex is a part of normal safeguarding.

geraldine

If anyone in the transgender community, or any of their allies, was to suggest we do that, I would vehemently disagree.

So you'll join us in challenging Girl Guides who have done precisely this with regard to sleeping & showers on overnight accommodation - mixed sex sleeping & shower/toilet arrangements for 10-14 yr olds, and failing to tell parents?

My point is that when we live in a society that allows marginalized groups to be categorised and stereotyped, instead of focusing on individual cases within those groups, then we are putting everyone at risk.

No one is saying that we should "categorise and stereotype". But where there is a clear problem in a community which manifests in a specific way it should be tackled by the community, at least by condemning the behaviour, and where that doesn't happen, the community will not be united, will it?

If anyone in the transgender community, or any of their allies, was to suggest we do that, I would vehemently disagree.

And yet we show you hundreds and hundreds of examples and somehow you still won't stand up and say it's wrong for lesbians to protest about it.

Geraldine

If anyone in the transgender community, or any of their allies, was to suggest we do that, I would vehemently disagree.

They constantly do! Have a word, eh?

If anyone in the transgender community, or any of their allies, was to suggest we do that, I would vehemently disagree.

Would you like to join me in writing to the Girl Guides or Women’s Aid?

Thank you and also for giving me a space to say what happened to me and be believed. That is more important than I realised.

Geraldine I am Truely sorry to hear your story. I hope you are in a better place now and I thank you for feeling you can share this on here.

Geraldine

Of course we believe you

The most effective support that those who are trans - allies can give to those transpeople who they believe to be most marginalised is to get active against the TRAs who are threatening women, not fighting women. Especially not fighting the women who are calling out the sexual aggressors.

You're picking the wrong horse to get your win if you simply think the best of anyone who says they are a woman. Joe & Joanne Public knows the score.

Geraldine We hear you. We believe you.