Lesbians react to London Pride

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Some very passionate responses from the lesbian community, since the anti-trans protests.

When Jennifer James pushed to sue the labour party, the result was the labour party clarified it's position as self-id for AWS

This has a similar ring to it, as the anti-trans protesters tried to co-opt the lesbian community, there has been a vocal backlash and clarification of support for trans people.

There's a hashtag to check out... twitter.com/hashtag/LWithTheT?src=hash

Why do marginalised get leeway when it comes to harming other marginalised groups? So because I’m bisexual I either need to shut up about what happened to me or what have you believe me?
Why wouldn’t you believe me and other women about sexual assault when they are telling you it happens? How many incidents do you think have to happen to lesbians for them to feel the need to make a leaflet and put themselves at risk of serious harm?

Or, you know, get fucking angry and be piss-takingly funny along with it to release the pressure of arguing with relentless streams of visiting chumpnuggets.

There is testimony and there are police reports from young girls who were groomed for exploitation in the online trans communities by predatory males. There is no controversy here. There is only a shocking lack of ethics.

Muslim people should not have to call out terrorists who commit atrocities under the guise of 'Islam'

I would do it as a Christian and so would the archbishop of c. You'd all rise up and say not in our name. Very odd to actively refuse.

We should call out sexual predators, and also people who pave the way for them by setting up saying 'no' as bigotry or by promoting conversion therapy and compulsory heterosexuality.

Eg: Riley J Dennis on Everyday Feminism with the "you don't have to have sex with a penis! But if you don't want to, you really need to examine the inherent prejudice in your genital preferences until you realise that it's prejudice. Unless you have a traumatic experience involving penises of course, in which case it's acceptable and you should go and get therapy and take as long as you need to overcome your aversion" thing.

What you are doing is creating a culture where certain people can't be challenged. Where abuse disappears in the big picture. Why do you think Rotherham was shoved under the carpet for so long?

Long story short? My sincere belief is that Rotherham happened because we live in an undeniably racist society which has in more recent years attempted, ham-fistedly, to put that right. The stereotype has always been that South Asian men as a whole are dirty perverts - that absolutely sick and false assumption meant that undertrained social workers and police staff were giving terrible guidance for fear of causing racial unrest and tension.

It's literally exactly why I don't want to see a return to the days when it was perfectly fine and acceptable to call all transgender women perverts and nonces. Because clearly that is wrong, and leaves genuinely horrific cases of sexual predatory more likely to be hushed up as local authorities scrabble round for guidance on what they can and can't say or do.

the transgender community should not have to take responsibility or call out sexual predators who happen to identify as transgender.

Be helpful if they condemned them though, rather than silencing the voices of those on the receiving end of the abuse.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

It's a completely normal thing to do. The only reason you don't is because it benefits you. You get to keep your hands clean but you benefit from the bullying and silencing. It's so obvious.

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The Ministry of Justice has confirmed FairPlay for women's figures. In fact they confirm that they underestimated estimated the figures. People can read you know.

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For heaven's sake, take a damper. You sound positively unhinged. This isn't Twitter.

They are so unafraid of been shamed for their cruel and sadistic opinions.

*The abuse of girls in Rotherham, and officials ignoring that abuse, had nothing to do with SEXISM and MISOGYNY???

True colors: shown.

You're no feminist.*

Please don't tell me what I am or am not.

My sincere belief is that Rotherham happened because we live in an undeniably racist society which has in more recent years attempted, ham-fistedly, to put that right

Interesting. You don't think that by the same token we might risk yet more failures of public protection if we were to hamfistedly overcorrect on other perceived systemic injustices which require us to throw normal safeguarding procedures overboard?

My sincere belief is that Rotherham happened because we live in an undeniably racist society which has in more recent years attempted, ham-fistedly, to put that right. The stereotype has always been that South Asian men as a whole are dirty perverts - that absolutely sick and false assumption meant that undertrained social workers and police staff were giving terrible guidance for fear of causing racial unrest and tension.

And you can't see the parallel with the people in a historically homophobic culture falling over themselves to be woke at trans people even when women are crying out that safeguarding concerns are being overridden and people are being coerced?

Really? Your brain just stops at shit the Guardian tells you?

Please don't tell me what I am or am not.

No one needs to tell you, it's all there in your replies. Misogyny writ large. You are no feminist.

No no empathy a5 all none none none

It's literally exactly why I don't want to see a return to the days when it was perfectly fine and acceptable to call all transgender women perverts and nonces.

I don’t want this to happen and I think it was wrong that it did happen historically, the same for LGB people too.
However if activists, who are supported blindly and held in high esteem, are supporting homophobia and propping up rape culture they need to be called out. I don’t care if they are trans or a trans ally, if they protect a culture that covers this up then they are complicit.

In the same way those poor girls in Rotherham were raped and abused because people in power didn’t want to call out Asian men for their crimes because Asian people had faced racism. (I also believe that wasn’t only racially motivated but disgusting Male rape culture and corruption.)

I’ve read these threads and never really posted on them. But saturdays protest really made me sit up and think. Those protestors were so brave.
My father is trans and an abuser. When I was a child he used his cross dressing to abuse me. I am lesbian but it took me 34 years to come out, I so wanted to be ‘normal’ I lived with a man for 14 years. I’ve been so ashamed of who I am and uncomfortable with myself and most of it was down to my father sexualising me with his transgenderism and making me a part of it. Not just me, but my mum too. I don’t for a minute think all trans people are abusers, but I know first hand that sometimes they are. I spoke to therapists that told me my father wasn’t doing these things in a sexual way, when I knew the opposite to be true.
I wish I had been able to go with my gut feeling and know people would agree with me when I told them.
That is why I am so moved by the Lesbian protest at pride and why I agree with them.

You don't think that by the same token we might risk yet more failures of public protection if we were to hamfistedly overcorrect on other perceived systemic injustices which require us to throw normal safeguarding procedures overboard?

Excellent point.

Amazing link

Should have kept the complaints behind closed doors, you know. Or just STFU. Complaints can be considered on an individual basis only, too, because to consider it on a class basis would raise the issue of: what class are we talking about?

Yes.