A woman is an adult female human

[Pratchet]

Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

Trans women are trans women. And that is absolutely fine. As long as it doesn't put women at any disadvantage.

HQ if you are being preassured by activists perhaps now is the time to be honest about it, as we might be able to help in some way?
I will not raise my children in a culture where truth is deemed hate speech.
A Woman is an adult human female.
A transsexual Male is a man who likes to wear women’s clothing & present as a woman.

I genuinely didn't realise that woman and female were contested terms.

I didn't realise that biological fact was in fact a matter of debate.

WTF MNHQ?*

Damn fucking right ItsAll

Once again MN shows us who they are.

Your arguments are the same as claiming only white people can be English.

Adult human females are women, of course. Why can't we expand this definition slightly to include women that have been born in the wrong body?

They are women too.

So on Mumsnet I'm not allowed to join with other women in criticising, condemning and refuting a statement made by the Women's and Equalities minister. Is this a democracy or not? Do women have a voice or not? Are women's opinions to be vetted not for inaccuracy but for wrong speak.

Yeah but trans women ARE women though. Most people believe it

How are they women? Please explain it clearly.

Woman is the word we use for an adult of the sex class female. Female describes the biological reproductive class which can produce ova and gestate young. It isn't a judgement. Or an opinion. It is immutable fact. We all know how we reproduce.

Once again, how are they women?

The body matters politically. Biological reality matters politically. Patriarchy is about control of reproduction.

Women are the labouring classes. This is the root of our oppression

If someone is asserting a thing that is out of step with the scientific consensus and what the majority of the human race believes, as Penny Mordaunt did today, they are the one being inflammatory.

i second this

these posts, these threads, they are my mental health lifeline, MNHQ.

how dare you suggest the majority of women are posting to be inflammatory.

I’ve seen some brilliant typos on here @Pratchet - only yesterday was I reading a thread and someone wrote “gathering of the dead” rather than deaf! The snapped and farted one made me chuckle too but now I’m not sure if that actually was a typo 😆

I used to have a large water bottle cover that looked like a cat and I used to make him eat my little teddies but I digress! 😂

There will be no hard border in Ireland.

There will be a no deal Brexit.

Men are women if men say so.

Immigrants take away our jobs and prosperity.

Women are men, but they were originally women so they don't matter.

Race is a social construct, like gender.

No, because the body is the sex, do you see? Reproductive role defines a person's sex, and that resides the the body.

Your thoughts and feelings do not define your sex. They are your personality. The male brain has a Y chromosome in every cell. It is impossible for this to be a female brain. It is a male brain, in a male body, with the male reproductive role.

Your personality- well, that's up to you. Your sex - well that's up to biology.

Penny Mordaunt REALLY REALLY needs to read this thread.

Most people believe it.

Actually, 82% of people do not believe it. See Pink News today. Also, 75% of Britons do not believe it should be legal to change legal sex on the basis of self-ID. See Panel Base via Wings Over Scotland.

There is currently an extremist male supremacist political movement in the UK, which is science-denying, theology-based, homophobic and misogynistic. Somehow, it has managed to hijack the movement for transsexual acceptance and GNC freedom of expression and our useless political parties are blind to the dangers.

I will not be supporting this extremist political agenda because I have no intention of living in the UK version of Gilead.

Your arguments are the same as claiming only white people can be English.
Nonsense. Totally false analogy.

Why can't we expand this definition slightly to include women that have been born in the wrong body?

Slightly?????

Funny

Why can't we expand this definition slightly to include women that have been born in the wrong body?

Because you will still have to have a word, and movement, for women who have a female body. That's why.

The reason why this is important is because of things like maternity care, breastfeeding protocols, gender pay gap, mummy penalties, etc.

You will still have to have a word, and a movement, that understands 'women with male body' belong to the same cohort who commit 98% of sexually violent crime. Therefore sex segregation is necessary under certain circumstances to protect those women with a female body.

You can have social empathy, of course. Why not.

There are certain situations that are simply only applicable to 'women with a female body'.

MNHQ - I'm horrified that you would curtail the speech of women speaking about their biology.

No Glitched they are not women. Nobody would care if there weren't violent men in the world. Men are (statistically) far more violent than women. That's why we care. That's the point.
You're claims saying that it's like saying only white people can be English are quite frankly a load of crap. Bringing race into it?
Really? Go tell a black person that you're black co you feel like it? Go for it. See what happens.

Good on you OP. With you all the way

Men do not face the same structural oppression. They are the ideal citizen around which we have created our society and laws.

Transwomen benefit from the power structure of patriarchy which oppresses women

Adult human females are women, of course. Why can't we expand this definition slightly to include women that have been born in the wrong body

Because of you are born in a male body you are male. You can't be born in "the wrong body"

Sex literally is the body you are born with

Glitched there are so many reasons why we can’t expand the definition of women-such as recording crime committed by such new women & safeguarding women only spaces, keeping other males who might pretend to be women for dubious reasons out of womens protected spaces etc etc. Can you understand that point of view?

@Glitched how can you be “born in the wrong body”? How can you be a woman other than biologically?

Trans women are biologically indistinguishable from other men. Are you happy that any man can declare himself born in the wrong body and therefore he’s a woman exactly the same as bio women?

Your arguments are the same as claiming only white people can be English

By the way: it's racist to appropriate racism. It is nothing like that argument. Make your case on its own merits. Women here take a very dim view of people who appropriate racism. They tend to consider them racists. If this is not you, think on, and express yourself more appropriately please.