"Cotton Ceiling" evidence thread

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I don't want to take this over as a straight feminist woman but am troubled at the blithe denial on other threads. This is a thread to post evidence of lesbophobia from transactivists and trans allies. I will start with the fragrant Morgane Oger:

mobile.twitter.com/fedupfemme/status/1013132702147588097

That Tumblr extract is the rapiest thing! Im genuinely shocked but then kind of not too. Why is the Labour Party doing saying this is ok? Which they essentially are. And pp is right, refusing sex with a man when on the verge of having sex is a dangerous thing even worse when you've got yourself into the situation not even knowing it's a man.

I'm really upset and angry now. Been voting Labour for years.

That list is chilling.

Yes, it really is. Distinct lack of TRAs or allies on this thread! Apart from one rather half hearted effort to deflect.

I might be wrong but I thought the changes proposed only applies to people who have gone through reassignment. So if some one has had reassignment surgery then they can't be prosecuted for not disclosing their previous gender. That sort of makes sense, doesn't it? Or am I wrong?

I don't know. I probably have misunderstood.

I have booked a meeting with my MP and don’t know whether to raise this as I am straight. But it’s distressing.

What strikes me is that it is seen as a right to date and have sex. Whilst I can totally see it is desirable for trans people and I hope they do find love... it isn’t a right that overtakes the right to consent. One of the blogs was discussing the impossible situation of being rejected if upfront and being potentially murdered if they lie. Horrific that they live in fear. Murder is never okay nor is any kind of abuse or violence. But it’s tone is implying you should be allowed to lie. That the only reason not to lie, is the threat of violence (rather than deception being bad just because of the violation of the lie based consent, without any threat). That lying is preferable to a single life. That I find shocking.

I don’t want to be anti anyone, but I do think a slightly warped thinking is pervading.

I think it would be wrong to assume that these people speak for all trans people. Just like homophonic straight people don’t speak for all straight people. Surely the majority of all people straight/gay and/or trans can agree to consent being crucial.

I think it would be wrong to assume that these people speak for all trans people. Just like homophonic straight people don’t speak for all straight people.

From what I've seen it would indeed be wrong to assume that. You can trawl through the net to find extremes in any group and lump them together in one thread to make that group look bad. You only have to look at recent political campaigns that have demonised groups of foreigners to see how it works. I'd recommend looking beyond this site and ask yourself is this something that trans people and lesbians seem to be generally talking about? It clearly isn't and, if reactions to the Pride demonstration are anything to go by, most lesbians who reacted didn't feel that the protesters represented them.

How do we keep the extremists out and only let the genuine trans people in, MillyTheKid?

@Datun, the post you seek is transgender-uber-alles.tumblr.com/post/141385666859/trans-women-shouldnt-tell-people-theyre-trans

@MillyTheKid I'd recommend looking beyond this site and ask yourself is this something that trans people and lesbians seem to be generally talking about?

It's all over Tumblr and Twitter. It's been discussed at WPUK meetings. Google "cisbian" and "cotton ceiling".

twitter.com/angelcakesinc/status/1017190013723992064?s=20

'd recommend looking beyond this site and ask yourself is this something that trans people and lesbians seem to be generally talking about?

A bit desperate. Might there be any reasons why lesbians would choose not to discuss this? Also what trans people say about it is all over Twitter.

I’m fb friends with people you would describe as TRA. I’m a straight woman.

I ... think.. from what I can gather...they do not agree with all the crazy stuff you are posting here. They are objecting to being portrayed as people who agree with the crazy stuff and that it is divisive and misleading.

To be honest I’m too afraid to ask directly, but that’s the impression I get.

I mean no one would really defend the stuff above would they?!

Wow Bd, all sorts of wrong there. The fact the person does not even consider lesbians to be normal women says a lot about them. How the hell are women protesting against the attempted hi jacking of our spaces and identity considered to be the hostile, violent and threatening ones? But trans gender people post shit like this but we're still to believe they're frightened and in need of protection? Bloody joke!

That's quite amusing based on what I've seen of this forum so far.

Do feel free to find one more to your liking.

As I said, you're quite transparent.

"Oh no it's not representative" rather than looking at the volume and the nature of what's being said and the amount of people mindlessly applauding it.

www.peaktrans.org/lesbians-gay-men/

Do feel free to find one more to your liking.

This is actually an open forum, part of Mumsnet which, last time I checked was not classed as a gender critical organisation, which means different views should be expected. If you can't handle the fact that some women might disagree with you then tough.

As I said, you're quite transparent.

You certainly are in a bigoted, bullying type of way.

You were the one expressing distaste at MN. "Based on what I've seen of this forum so far". No one is forcing you to read anything. It doesn't sound like your natural environment. Just a suggestion.

I have no problem whatsoever dealing with the existence of people who disagree with me.

LOL but do tell me why I am bigoted and bullying?

Work it out for yourself. Calling someone something they're not in an attempt to shut down debate pretty much qualifies you I'd say.