"Cotton Ceiling" evidence thread

[Ereshkigal]

I don't want to take this over as a straight feminist woman but am troubled at the blithe denial on other threads. This is a thread to post evidence of lesbophobia from transactivists and trans allies. I will start with the fragrant Morgane Oger:

mobile.twitter.com/fedupfemme/status/1013132702147588097

Thank you stopthisisnow. I will do whatever I can.

This twitter thread...

twitter.com/exposinglesphob/status/1007361036511477760

Not cotton ceiling exactly but a useful comparison -

Straight men: would you date a trans person (m to f) if they’re hotter than regular women? - Twitter thread

I've just retweeted that thread, Pencils Got on Twitter today and I've been busy.

www.vice.com/en_ca/article/neq9zx/whats-wrong-with-the-no-trans-dating-preference-debate

I don't recommend you google anything about this if you value your hard drive, but Lily Cade, a very successful porn star, was subjected to a barrage of harrassment for refusing to film any scenes with transwomen, because she's a lesbian who doesn't do dick.

This wasn't even an "examine your preferences, work through your bigotry" faux-social-justice bullshit, this was outright "take this specific dick, and dicks in general, or we will ruin your career" bullshit.

Thank you Ereshkigal, it is very much appreciated.

Another lesbian here saying thank you to the heterosexual women who are standing in solidarity with us.

UCL/Oxford philosopher Amia Srinivasan in the London Review of Books :

"Trans women often face sexual exclusion from lesbian cis women who at the same time claim to take them seriously as women."

"a feminism that totally abjures the political critique of desire is a feminism with little to say about the injustices of exclusion and misrecognition suffered by the women [i.e. transwomen] who arguably need feminism the most."

www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n06/amia-srinivasan/does-anyone-have-the-right-to-sex

(There was a thread on this here)

Psychologist Karen Blair, Chair of Sexual Orientation & Gender Identity Issues Section of the Canadian Psychological Association, and sociologist Rhea Ashley Hoskin in Journal of Social and Personal Relationships

"10.8% of the lesbians were classified as incongruent because they were willing to date trans men but not trans women. How should these responses be interpreted?"

"patterns of excluding trans individuals (and their bodies) from the realm of dating expose continuing cisgenderism and transmisogny within society"

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139?journalCode=spra

"10.8% of the lesbians were classified as incongruent because they were willing to date trans men but not trans women. How should these responses be interpreted?"

What a charming piece of newspeak. I'd be happy to interpret the findings for them, but HQ frowns on us being that direct.

It's surreal.

I'm been reading the fair play for women website trying to educate myself. Half the articles feel like they should have "nah, just kidding that would be crazy" on the end.

They don't and it's scary.

But the penis is not an essential element of manhood — it can beautifully and comfortably coexist with womanhood in one body.

Bollocks to this.

I love that PardesSeleh thread, in which a bunch of normal people attempt to reason with a technicolor furry, who's the only person who believes that sexual orientation isn't about sex.

Another lesbian here, checking in to say how appreciated all the support from heterosexual and bisexual women is. This is horrible coercive abusive nasty rapey homophobic bullshit and it needs calling out from the rooftops.

Yep. There have been other peaks since but the cotton ceiling was the first one for me and would have been quite enough even if the trans activist movement had no other issues. Nope, not having the idea that women aren't allowed to have boundaries or preferences, or that any of us owe sex to whichever manipulative arsehole is trying to make a case for women's boundaries being mean to his penis this time.

This is horrible coercive abusive nasty rapey homophobic bullshit and it needs calling out from the rooftops.

Careful, I got a strike for saying this a few days back.

Because it is indeed all of the above...

it’s less about the cock and more about the power play

Yes, that's something that is often said about rape, isn't it.
Those quotes DJLippy posted are so incredibly creepy.

As a bi woman who prefers women I stand in solidarity with lesbians 100% against rapey cotton ceiling bastards.

What can non-lesbian women do to support you? Are there campaigns to donate to, organisations to promote?

I'm not on Twitter and don't know any lesbians well enough to approach

And it's quite clear that this is rape culture. Coercive guilt tripping. Boundary erasure. Lack of respect. Homophobia.

I know nothing about being a lesbian and yet this is obvious.

twitter.com/fedupfemme/status/969773840741085184?s=20

"You have no right to refuse to date someone who belongs to the gender(s) you are attracted to solely because of what's in their pants. This sort of exclusion is transphobic and invalidates our gender identities."

How is it different from corrective rape? Or any other type of pseudo conversion 'therapy'?

Trans women who haven’t had surgery have a chance of getting their partners pregnant, so keep that in mind.

This quote from the Autostraddle article made me chuckle. No shit, Sherlock!

"You have no right to refuse to date someone who belongs to the gender(s) you are attracted to solely because of what's in their pants. This sort of exclusion is transphobic and invalidates our gender identities."

Because invalidation is so much worse than coercive rape. Right?

Invalidation of your personal identity is the most oppressive thing ever.