WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

Indeed .. speaking truth on Twitter is not permissible, according to some ... meanwhile, I am now active elsewhere ...

Twitter have made extra categories of "serious disease" and "national origin" when they already have disability and race but they only have "gender" and "gender identity". Consciously excluding "sex".

Ereshkigal Says it all really, doesn't it?

Thanks for the review @Brightonradfem I'm looking forward to the videos.

Do you have a screenshot of that poster?

I just want to say a HUGE thank you to Woman's Place for organising these... so valuable, so important - and 1000 times as challenging as we could have possibly thought when you started

And I am so glad a Quaker came and is going to discuss it with their meeting house... they feel a natural fit for hosting and I wonder whether it would be worth asking two or three from the local meeting house each time one happens so they can truly represent what happens and then potentially be venues for the future?

That Quaker wasn't a representative of the meeting house. However I do believe further discussion with them will be had.

Here you go @OvaHere.

I've never talked identity politics or feminism with this particular friend, so I replied saying "I find it absolutely amazing that at Brighton Pride, the poster doesn't have the words "lesbian", "gay" or "bisexual", but there you go. I'm actually not represented in the people that are welcome there! Pride has definitely changed beyond all recognition."

I was wondering how she'd react, as we've never really talked politics, but she agreed with me and said she didn't feel represented or at all - she's also a lesbian. I think we need to have a little gender critical chat, me and her!

The Marlborough is a trans pub now with lesbians as a very late afterthought if they are welcome at all. Probably not if they look too old school or terfy

Ereshkigal Says it all really, doesn't it?

It really does.

An extended version of Helen Saxby's speech last night.

https://notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/2018/07/17/turning-the-tide/amp/?twitterr_impression=true

The phrase ‘transwomen are women’ is naively understood to be simply a courtesy to a male trans person, a sign of allyship. If you don’t join in, because you stick to the definition of women which is biologically correct, you are nailing your colours to the mast and this is risky. There is a huge amount of abuse directed at women who refuse to do as they are told, and this fact demonstrates that the use of ‘transwomen are women’ is not as benign as it first seems. If you wish to be ‘nice’ to someone, that is your free choice, but if you are punished for NOT being ‘nice’ then it is no free choice at all and it begins to look more like bullying and coercion.

Oh yes.

I know this thread has moved on - and maybe daim too - but I couldn't post this morning and I just wanted to say I've been chuckling all day at the idea that the generation raised on David Bowie and glam rock might feel discomforted by the sight of rainbow hair.

Nice bit of ageism though - that liberal mask is slipping.

For this reason I now reject, as a political act in my turn, the notion that ‘transwomen are women’. It has nothing to do with ‘hate’ or ‘transphobia’ or ‘bigotry’. If the political arm of the Anti Kitten-Stomping League was trying to infringe on women’s rights, I’d fight them too: it wouldn’t mean that I approved of stomping on kittens. It is purely a political defence of the rights of women and girls, against a political movement which threatens those rights. It is undemocratic to threaten and abuse women who speak out on this.

Yes yes yes.

Have a read of this: babeinbotland.com/2018/07/11/why-trans-woman-is-a-very-bad-word/

Daim is posting some very misogynistic stuff on twitter. It blows my mind that a lesbian woman could be so mired in misogyny and disdain towards women.

I was having the exact same thought. I don't understand how a lesbian who who has written quite a charming funny blog that surprisingly made me think that if I met her incognito we would probably get on hates other women so much and glories in male dominance over us.

It has actually really shaken me.

Who is Daim in Twitter?

Apparently they used the same wording from a post here on Twitter.

I don't think anyone should post their handle though, that would be a bit creepy.

That sounded extraordinarily school-teachery of me and I apologise for the tone

I certainly don't think MN would approve.

Saying that someone daren't post their real pic because 'no females would want to sex you' is a bit out of order imo.

Glad you enjoyed the blog Ereshkigal haven't written it in ages.

And I have no idea why you think I hate women.

Trans women aren't glorifying in male dominance they are just born a bit differently to us, that's all.

Glad you enjoyed the blog Ereshkigal haven't written it in ages.

Makes sense.

Trans women aren't glorifying in male dominance they are just born a bit differently to us, that's all.

Yes. Male.