WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

Apparently as women we share more genes with a female chimp than we do with a male Homo sapiens.

If by a "bit" you mean their entire body and the way society has always treated them then yes - a bit.

just born a bit differently to us

You can say that again.

Ah yes I was responding to this gem of a Tweet - I shouldn't have risen to it. My bad.

nobody is afraid of trans people in the way you seem to think we are daimbars - we are angry that our rights are being eroded by transactivism totally different. I am not afraid if a trans person sits next to be on a bus or had a job working in the same department. I would treat them like anyone else and make my assessment on whether ik liked them or not on their individual characteristcs.

Yep. I had a transwoman cut my hair last year - that's totally fine, because when I'm getting my hair cut what matters is whether or not the person doing it is good at cutting hair. I'm not interacting with their genitalia in any way and neither of us are taking our clothes off, so who cares what sex they are? I also prefer my hairdresser to have a pleasant personality because a haircut can take a while and it would be great if we're not getting on each other's nerves and can have a friendly chat. Which we did. Trans status not relevant in that scenario.

If the same person had walked in when I was due for a smear and was already lying on the table naked from the waist down I wouldn't have been happy, and would have been even less so if they'd responded to my objection by insisting that they were a woman and had some sort of right to do the procedure against my wishes.

In some scenarios sex matters. Accusing the people who it matters to of being evil bigots doesn't make it stop mattering.

Well I won't say any names either, but it made it pretty obvious when its post was used as evidence for the hotel that they shouldn't have allowed the meeting.

To be honest I'm starting to think this is another let's cause controversy on MN to further my career and gain Twitter followers.

It's not original.

This is like Where’s Wally. Except everyone has worked out Daim’s username on Twitter.

More like There’s Wally.

Agreeing with Dr. Adrian Womanhater as well!

To be honest I'm starting to think this is another let's cause controversy on MN to further my career and gain Twitter followers.

Yes that occurred to me too. She needs a few more.

Brighton Argus:
16th July
'Trans activists demonstrate against controversial event'
by Jody Doherty-Cove

(extract)
"After cancellations and controversy, an event branded ‘transphobic’ by LGBTQ activists went ahead – but to a chorus of protesters.

The event ‘A Women’s Place is Turning the Tide’ was organised to invite debate about changes to the gender recognition act but has angered trans demonstrators who say that trans rights are not up for debate.

Attendees and those staying at the Jury's Inn Hotel were allowed to pass into the building, although entrances were lined with dozens of activists chanting, “trans women are real women” and chalk floor graffiti reading, “transphobes not welcome here”.

Changes to the gender recognition act would allow people to self identify their own gender without the need for a formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

Many who attended the WPUK meeting do not see transwomen as real women and see the change as an encroachment on "women only spaces" like changing rooms and all-female candidate shortlists.

Ellie Stamp, an organiser of the demonstration said: “The ideas that are held at this meeting suggest that trans women are not real women and perpetuates the idea that trans women in general are violent and should not be trusted.

“We’re here today, some of us are trans, some of us are not, but we’re standing against this meeting. “ (continues)

www.theargus.co.uk/news/16358076.trans-activists-demonstrate-against-controversial-event

Just to be clear. I know who daim is but wouldn't and haven't shared her twitter handle or real name with anyone or interacted with her on twitter.

I have no clue about twitter, I'm not on it, and it took me thirty seconds to find your account, Daim, replete with all of its defamatory statements, distortions and likening women to witches.

plus the fact that when someone disagrees with you, your go-to insult is that no-one would want to "sex them".

How does all of that gel with your feminism? What does your feminism even do without dicks in it?

I think you only went to that meeting for cred points so you could say "IT WAS EVERY BIT AS HATEFUL AS I IMAGINED AND I WAS THERE AND EVERYFINK".

So I was correct that "looks radfem" means "is unattractive", which of course is the most feminist way ever to argue that a woman's opinions are worthless.

SophoclesTheFox that poster who called me a man and a rape apologist etc etc initially had a man as their profile picture with the description 'female homosexual'

I had a little joke saying 'female homosexual he wishes' because the profile pic was clearly a man so obviously not a female homosexual. Poster then changed profile picture, hence my comment about not using a real profile pic.

I don't think that is terribly misogynistic considering the hateful things he/she said to me, unprovoked.

I was at the meeting, and don't recognise Daim's version at all. A woman sitting in front of me was quite vocal and did shout out a couple of expletives, but other women sitting near to her told her to keep it down, and after a couple of more outbursts, they told her off and she left the room.

I too thought that Gill Smith's talk was really touching and sad, and it made me feel really angry on her behalf.

I thought it was a productive meeting, and because of the previous venue cancelling, the demonstrations at the front and the back of the hotel, and the reaction of a couple of the activists at the meeting (one in particular) it did get a little heated on a couple of occasions, but on the whole it was absolutely fine.

Well, I haven't looked on the Twatter so most of this is over my head but I feel I should register my objection to the unfuckable trope in the strongest possible terms.

What about describing women as witches Daim? I trust you understand the historical implications that word.

Can anyone confirm if the swearing heckler was the same one that got arrested for threatening one of the protesters outside?

Someone said 'she'd gone outside and had a row'?

No. That's a bloke that was giving the finger to protesters as he was going in. The main heckler was a woman sitting in front of me.

Oh for god's sake Daim, I don't care "who started it" (you sound about 10).

My point was that your go-to insult is "no one wants to fuck you, so shut up".

And then you compare feminists to witches.

Do you not get how misogynistic that comes off?

How many women in history have been murdered for being witches? or not being fuckable? Jesus christ, with a grasp of history that poor, no wonder you're so keen on "the wrong side of history" putdown, because I don't think you have the first idea what that could even mean.

Aha- that fake Jacky Holyoake tweet was posted on fwr before, by perfectlywretched who I haven't seen here for some time. The screenshot they posted then was a tweet (with 700 likes) of the fake tweet, and perfectly posted it as this tremendous gotcha. "Look what you're defending" etc, as though the fake tweet was not only real but terribly popular with nasty feminists (700 of them).

It was effective though, to the extent it took some twitter rummaging to prove it was bollocks, and I am afraid posted in bad faith.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3113243-feeling-sad-weary-that-feminists-trans-women-are-constantly-pitted-against-one-another

Anyway, glad last night went without too much real life and twitter intimidation. There seems to be more twitter hyperbole today than after previous events. It might be a debate if one side wasn't immediately blocking the other.

to wpuk and the speakers and attendees.

Jody's a guy, Rowan

Ah I see, my friend told me someone got arrested but sounds like that's probably gossip if it's not on here. Mumsnet usually has its finger on the pulse.

Woah, can we just rewind please.
I had a little joke saying 'female homosexual he wishes' because the profile pic was clearly a man so obviously not a female homosexual.
My italics.
Have I read this correctly? You decided someone was a man on the basis of their profile pic?

I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

I've seen someone claim on Twitter that the picture was of Maria M