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WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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PlonitbatPlonit · 29/06/2018 20:43

Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

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Sarahconnor1 · 20/07/2018 07:41

Putting a woman’s life in danger in the way they did though was a new low, even for daimbars

Well yes especially after thanking posters on here for not outing her, because she knows how dangerous doxxing can be. It was a thoroughly nasty thing to do.

So I also won't be engaging with Daim again.

TerfsUp · 20/07/2018 07:42

Why anyone engages with daimbars is a mystery to me.

Ereshkigal · 20/07/2018 07:55

Well yes especially after thanking posters on here for not outing her, because she knows how dangerous doxxing can be. It was a thoroughly nasty thing to do.

Yes, but I really don't think you can believe a word this person says.

Sarahconnor1 · 20/07/2018 08:00

Duplicitous covers it I think, in my head I'm using more colourful language though Grin

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/07/2018 09:19

She's on the AIBU thread with a namechange.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 20/07/2018 09:51

I never engaged with her. Always read her as an enemy of women.

Stilettosandan0venglove · 20/07/2018 09:51

Social media attacks on WPUK:

womansplaceuk.org/social-media-attacks-on-wpuk/

Melamin · 20/07/2018 10:01

She's on the AIBU thread with a namechange.

It is funny how someone can kick up a big stink and then think they are invisible if no one knows their name. We had this with a nutty property developer* who goes to the local paper as 'who didn't want to be named' or keeps using variations of their name. Their style and character goes with them.

(*loose term; not sure they have ever developed any property)

Melamin · 20/07/2018 10:02

Thanks for the link, Stilettos

Melamin · 20/07/2018 10:05

It would appear Facebook are taking posts down again for so-called breaches of rules. These rules are very flexible.

R0wantrees · 20/07/2018 10:26

WPUK Facebook

WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide
R0wantrees · 20/07/2018 10:30

James Kirkup Spectator Article:
'Labour and Tories finally see the truth about the gender debate'

(concludes)
"In that context, I think a letter in today’s Morning Star is worth reading closely. It describes “systematic attempts to shut down meetings organised by women at which they can discuss potential legislative changes and the impact these may have on any sex-based rights already enshrined in law.”

Such incidents “draw the whole of our progressive movement into disrepute,” the letter says, adding:

“Some trans rights activists even continue to justify the use of violence, meaning that many women are simply too frightened to attend meetings that are both public and lawful in order that they may discuss their own rights.

Other women, including ordinary women concerned for their rights, as well as those active within the trade union movement and other political campaigns, are also now anxious and fearful that they will be subjected to such attacks when engaging in any political activity, meetings, or protests.

We are sure that, whatever your view regarding the issues around the Gender Recognition Act, you will agree that it is unacceptable for women to be made scared to engage in political life.”

Now, I’m a dedicated centrist and I happen to agree with every word of that letter. I know paid-up Tories who would too.

But the contents of that letter are not the story here. The story is in the signatories, who include Len McCluskey of the Unite union, as well as several other senior trade unionists. (Lindsey German, a founder of Stop the War and a close friend of Jeremy Corbyn is there too; Andrew Murray, another very senior Corbynista signed a similar letter earlier this year. In short, a very significant and, in Labour terms, powerful group of unionists and activists has raised some quite serious concerns about the violent intimidation of women in the gender debate.

In a previous job as a political reporter, I’d probably have summarised that letter something like this:

Transgender activists who use threats of violence to frighten feminist critics are bringing the Labour movement into disrepute, Britain’s top trade union leader has said. Len McCluskey of the Unite union has joined several other close allies of Jeremy Corbyn to warn that “trans rights activists” using threats and intimidation have left many women “too frightened” to engage in political debate.

That strikes me as quite a big deal, and something that others in politics should reflect on. I know that a lot of people in politics (and journalism) veer away from public involvement in this debate, and I think some of the reasons for that are understandable.

But consider these two facts that have come to light this week: the Conservative minister for equalities has said that women have “legitimate concerns” about transgender laws that must be heard and answered; the head of the country’s biggest trade union has said that women who raise those concerns face a “systematic” attempt to scare them into silence.

This isn’t a niche issue, a sideline interest for a few activists and obsessives. This is about how politics works. It’s time for the people who stay quiet to start talking.
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/labour-and-tories-finally-see-the-truth-about-the-gender-debate/

R0wantrees · 20/07/2018 10:33

July 4th Morning Star letter (referenced above in Kirkup's article)

'Improving the climate of debate around proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act'

(extract)
"We are calling for action within our movement to allow debate to take place over proposed changes to the Act.

You may be aware that on April 13 this year, an activist, Tara Wood was convicted of the assault by beating of Maria MacLachlan, a 60-year-old woman who had gathered with others in order to attend a meeting at which they could discuss the potential impact on women and girls of such a change to the law.

On March 8, an incident also occurred on a Bectu picket line in which trans activists, with no connection to the industrial dispute itself, mobbed and verbally attacked a female trade union member on the basis of having recognised her as an attendee at a similar meeting.

And in late April women in Bristol looking to meet and discuss changes to the Gender Recognition Act were met with masked activists blocking entrances to the venue, and deliberately intimidating those wishing to go inside.

More recently, a meeting organised by Woman’s Place UK was targeted with a bomb threat which Hastings Police are investigating as a serious incident.

These cases are part of systematic attempts to shut down meetings organised by women at which they can discuss potential legislative changes and the impact these may have on any sex-based rights already enshrined in law.

They draw the whole of our progressive movement into disrepute.

Some trans rights activists even continue to justify the use of violence, meaning that many women are simply too frightened to attend meetings that are both public and lawful in order that they may discuss their own rights.

Other women, including ordinary women concerned for their rights, as well as those active within the trade union movement and other political campaigns, are also now anxious and fearful that they will be subjected to such attacks when engaging in any political activity, meetings, or protests.

We are sure that, whatever your view regarding the issues around the Gender Recognition Act, you will agree that it is unacceptable for women to be made scared to engage in political life.

We, the undersigned, publicly and unequivocally condemn the use of violence or tactics of intimidation on this issue"

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/improving-climate-debate-around-proposed-changes-gender-recognition-act

R0wantrees · 20/07/2018 10:36

Statement by Womans Place UK:

Social Media Attacks on WPUK
"It is now clear somebody created a fake FB account using a photograph of a woman without her permission and made posts implying she was a ticketholder to our #WPUK event in Brighton. After the event they posted, as if from her, that she had spat at a protestor and thought it was funny. This post was screenshotted and posted on Twitter.

This was then used to attack Woman’s Place UK by impugning the attendees at Monday’s meeting and promote lies about us and our supporters. The account has been reported and removed but, as we know, a lie is often half way round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

These are not the first such social media attacks we have been subjected to. We have had a fake twitter account set up in imitation. Our meeting hashtag #WPUK is now routinely hijacked by people posting sexual innuendo. Our posts have been routinely, and dishonestly, reported, hidden and obstructed.

We are not interested in a petty social media battle with people who oppose our aims. We are a campaign established to ensure that women’s voices and women’s rights are upheld in any proposed changes to a law that affects them.

This morning, our supporters are reporting that FB posts which link to our website are being removed. The reason give is that ‘they may be in breach of community standards’. They are not in breach of community standards. We would urge you to visit our website, read the posts and decide for yourself.

We have five demands. If you agree with these demands we would ask you to stand with us now and share our various posts far and wide to expose the spiteful attempt to shut us down instead of engage with our substantive demands.

We refuse to be side tracked by the vindictiveness of such campaigns. We are interested in a resolution that upholds the rights of everyone. We are not afraid of debate. We welcome it.

We call on our detractors to cease these attacks and to engage with us in serious discussion.

We are asking you to share this statement on all your social media platforms with all your followers and friends."

womansplaceuk.org/social-media-attacks-on-wpuk/

Theinconstantgardener · 20/07/2018 11:13

Social media attacks on wpuk
This probably needs a thread of its own. Im travelling so signal intermitant or I would do it.

Theinconstantgardener · 20/07/2018 11:16

Oh found it!

Procrastinator1 · 20/07/2018 11:28

Article in the Argus, local Brighton newspaper, calling for the hotel where the event was held to apologise.www.theargus.co.uk/news/16365697.demands-for-hotel-to-apologise-after-holding-transphobic-event/?action=success#comments-feedback-anchor
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Melamin · 20/07/2018 12:00

I saw that earlier this morning. It looked like they were trying to be very even handed. The comments were sensible.

I can't get on now - it must be very busy?

beenandgoneandbackagain · 20/07/2018 12:04

No doubt the usual social media pile on from the TRAs to show how widely supported they are. Except if they were really widely supported they wouldn't need to do the pile ons . . . . . .

ChattyLion · 20/07/2018 12:05

Great statement WPUK.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 20/07/2018 12:06

The fake facebook profile led to a GC witter poster of that first name being (wrongly) identified as the person being faked, if you see what I mean. She was able not only to prove it was a fake but also to contact the other woman, whose photo was used, to alert her. Apologies to both women (including from Harrop of all people, miraculously) have been forthcoming but of course as WKUP note, when a lie is half way round the world …

The person that set up that fake profile tried very hard to endanger two women. It's despicable.

Fienda · 20/07/2018 12:16

Just filling up this thread by saying to lurkers, look at the WPUK website for more information:

https://womansplaceuk.org/resources/

nauticant · 20/07/2018 12:16

including from Harrop of all people, miraculously

Their comes a point when even the odious Harrop recognises that he's stepped over the line and could get into trouble professionally. Knowingly having spread lies on the Internet potentially putting women at risk is something that the GMC would have to pay attention to.

Fienda · 20/07/2018 12:16

Or read this leaflet

WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide
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