Munroe Bergdorfs response

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They support ALL women don’t forget.

There is more. mobile.twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

And the response is overwhelmingly critical. The BFI have seriously cocked up here

Think it's totally fair to argue that she as done nothing in film and there are 100s of other woman who have done amazing things in documentary work and there are even other trans woman who have done far more in film than her in fact we even have a film festival up north with speakers who are active in the film industry.

Some people don't believe people can biologically change sex. Some people don't include people who aren't of the biological sex female.

Some people think some people should Bergoff, and stop taking opportunities away from biological females.

It's crazy why Munroe was involved at all. I just don't get it.

It’s because she was a man.

There are plenty of women film makers out there but it’s still a male dominated industry.

Munroe Bergdorf was chosen because she was once a man. She has that privilege and status.

Unlike us uninteresting women who were never a man.

That’s how it works - it’s shocking when you see it in action isn’t it.

I haven’t read the new speech guidelines (what with three kids, ft job and life and everything) so not sure if I have broken any mumsnet speech rules?

Lisa Muggeridge on this topic:

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2018/06/16/a-brief-note-of-congratulations-on-your-key-note-speech-munroe-bergdorf/

TL;DR - Lisa can be summed up as saying: Munroe only supports women who never say anything that impacts Munroe's (purchased) identity.

Feminism does not need to include everyone. FFS. It needs to include all women - by that I mean, all XX, cunty, potentially-child-bearing humans. The biological class generally known as women.

Feminism is simply not about the rights or representation of XY, be-penised, impregnating humans, however they identify, behave, present, call themselves or modify their bodies. They can have their own movement(s) and spaces, they bloody should, but stay the fuck out of women’s spaces.

Wow, well said, Lisa Muggeridge!
It's because she was a man. Exactly. If there's a choice between a man and a woman they will choose the man. If there's a choice between a transwoman and a woman they will choose the transwoman. Same result in the end - the woman is sidelined.

No one gives a fuck about my identity tho
Jesus Christ what a load of pretentious shite that BFI thing is. If she was a filmmaker who happened to be trans then I would have much less of an issue. But she’s not. She’s never directed anything g has she?

Unlike us uninteresting women who were never a man.

That's where I'm going wrong. I'll have to become a man then go back to being a woman. I'm sure that will work won't it? oh it seems it won't. Ah well, I'll stay uninteresting.

Just signed up to Twitter again and see Lisa M is all over it with MB. Fantastic!

The Twitter response is really encouraging.

That Lisa Muggeridge piece is excellent

Was it Lisa M who was at the meeting in London on Weds?

Well said @noeffing. We've already seen loads of examples of transwomen being called up to represent women. It might be a fad... but it might not be.

Yes. She is amazing. Right on point every time.

Gosh my dander is up.

These individuals who have zero self awareness, have absolutely no shame in taking spaces and places intended for women - when we know there's a women cast aside to enable this nonsense. It's such a male thing to do - rock up far less qualified than a woman & have zero shame in taking something that isn't for you, you aren't qualified for & have no business being involved in. Men have been doing this forever. They're now getting woke cookies for it.

Utter narcissistic twat.

I like Lisa for the way she relates everything back to social policy and equality and safeguarding frameworks. So she can tie in austerity and transactivism to the same impulse - the not-marginalised wanting something, claiming it because they're not-marginalised and can, but ignoring all those equality and safeguarding frameworks and thus generating crisis.

Once you latch on that she sees austerity and transactivism as two different manifestations of the same thing, it's exactly what she says it is - a Where's Wally picture. Once you've seen Wally, you can't unsee him.

Agreed, she's brilliant at this stuff. Wish I was as articulate.

Yet another 'women! You're doing feminism all wrong!' load of shite from someone who shoukd just clear off. It's so heartening that there has been a big outcry about this

The tide is absolutely turning on this isn't it?