Munroe Bergdorfs response

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They support ALL women don’t forget.

There is more. mobile.twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

And the response is overwhelmingly critical. The BFI have seriously cocked up here

It really is.

I think in parts it’s because GC feminists have given others ‘permission’ to say what bollocks it is, when that’s what they were already thinking but too scared to say.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3276914-BFI-appoint-Munroe-Bergdorf-as-keynote-speaker-for-womanwithacamera-summit

*Cwenthryth

Feminism does not need to include everyone. FFS. It needs to include all women - by that I mean, all XX, cunty, potentially-child-bearing humans. The biological class generally known as women.

Feminism is simply not about the rights or representation of XY, be-penised, impregnating humans, however they identify, behave, present, call themselves or modify their bodies. They can have their own movement(s) and spaces, they bloody should, but stay the fuck out of women’s spaces.*

^ THIS, on a tee shirt, a coaster, a meme, set to music as an anthem, and the official slogan of this board!

That Lisa Muggeriridge post is strong.

I'm not on Twitter, but as far as I know, she was relentlessly targetted by transactactivists. If memory serves, her family were also got at.

Her analysis is spot on. She's angry, she's smart, she's articulate and she's fearless.

Everyone knows, full well, that when Munroe tells women to stop talking about women's issues, it's because they lack both the requisite credentials and the experience to be considered an authentic 'expert'.

And it doesn't fit in with the narrative of being most oppressed people on the planet. So must not be born. Shutting women down and shutting them up is a typical display of masculinity.

When women question what it is exactly that they are meant to be excluding transwomen from, they are generally told it's feminism.

This is absolute nonsense. No one can be excluded from feminism. No one can stop anyone, male or female, from volunteering, donating, or talking about the disadvantage that women suffer at the hands of men.

But of course that's not it, it's redefining the meaning of the word feminism, along with all the other words. To centre men, not women.

This is absolute nonsense. No one can be excluded from feminism. No one can stop anyone, male or female, from volunteering, donating, or talking about the disadvantage that women suffer at the hands of men.

But of course that's not it, it's redefining the meaning of the word feminism, along with all the other words. To centre men, not women.

Exactly. That's what they mean.

I support Munroe and her right to do this role.

But it is interesting that she mentions every protected characteristic except 'sex'.

no she's missed age as well actually. Interesting again though.

Predictable, rather than interesting.

Why, SMG? What qualifications does Munroe Bergdorf have for this role? As far as I can see, absolutely none at all?

I can’t imagine this thread has long to live, so while we are here there was an brilliant comment on the petition site:

When asked to find a woman filmmaker for this event they decided on a person who is a) not a woman and b) not a film maker. This is how desperate they are not not give women a voice. Lucky that Munroe was available or they would have had to just tape a camera to a mannequin.

so very true! (sadly)

A mention of everything apart from sex and sexism in those tweets because said tweeter does not experience either of those in the same way and cunty women.

I don't think they would prefer 'a man' at all. I think it's because what / who she is now is flavour du jour. And good for publicity.

I think it's because what / who she is now is flavour du jour. And good for publicity

So, you agree they don't have any actual qualifications for the role? You just support them doing it because, publicity?

Interesting.

God. I'm appalled at the BFI. The film industry is one the THE hardest for women to succeed in. Women are accepted at the lower levels (to do all the boring admin and organising) but are often not taken seriously on the creative or technical sides. For every high earning lighting director is a wife looking after his kids when he is off on location or doing 16 hour days.
Funding for the film industry has suffered a lot in recent years and that always impacts female centered initiatives.
But they can't find ONE filmmaker who will have actual experience of how damn hard she has had to work and fight to get there??
So they ask a non film making..model?
Fucking Hell.

Biologically male transpeople have no business taking places intended for women.
Biologically male people aren’t women.

Biologically male transpeople have no business taking places intended for women.
Biologically male people aren’t women.

Especially as the whole purpose was to promote women who suffer as a result of sexism, which is something perpetrated by men.

I mean, come ON, BFI. Think!!!!

don't think they would prefer 'a man' at all. I think it's because what / who she is now is flavour du jour. And good for publicity.

Publicity and virtue signalling.

"^Feminism does not need to include everyone. FFS. It needs to include all women - by that I mean, all XX, cunty, potentially-child-bearing humans. The biological class generally known as women.
Feminism is simply not about the rights or representation of XY, be-penised, impregnating humans, however they identify, behave, present, call themselves or modify their bodies. They can have their own movement(s) and spaces, they bloody should, but stay the fuck out of women’s spaces.^"

Well said. I concur.

These individuals who have zero self awareness, have absolutely no shame in taking spaces and places intended for women - when we know there's a women cast aside to enable this nonsense. It's such a male thing to do - rock up far less qualified than a woman & have zero shame in taking something that isn't for you, you aren't qualified for & have no business being involved in. Men have been doing this forever. They're now getting woke cookies for it.

Utter narcissistic twat.

PlectrumElectrum you have nailed it. This is why we're all fucking fuming!!!

I have never thought of feminism as something that includes or excludes people. It is a way of analysing the world. It's just that once you look at a group of men and women so traumatised by sexualised bullying, abuse, toxic masculinity, in some cases racism and internalised homophobia that they will get their genitals cut off and torture their bodies relentlessly to be different from the lost children they once were - you see all over again what feminism really should be about. It's not OK for women to only be seen as women with value if they wear boned corsets or bind their feet, and that was the case in the past. It's not OK for men or women to be accepted only if they develop huge circular unlactating tits and burn their hair follicles individually with lasers.

It's also not OK for Bound by the Wachowskis to be seen as a sexploitative thriller with pornographic elements when made by men, but for it suddenly to be regarded and no doubt counted as 'a lesbian film made by women' when its directors transition. Perhaps Munroe would like to talk about that.

Can someone please show me a link to the Lisa Twitter? I can’t find her comments regarding that person who took the women’s space.

ALL women says Munroe. I'm guessing that excludes those with uteruses because Bergdorf has mentioned a few times that they find the talk of female biology to be exclusionary.

Munroe says that Munroe is not a threat to women. I do not agree.

Munroe is someone who has:

• benefited from male privilege

- no lived experience of what it is like to experience sexual discrimination due to being female; such as being considered a 'pregnancy risk' during job interviews

• no lived experience of growing up female - and the societal expectations and shaping around that

And Munroe has taken a space which is designed to offer a woman a voice. Munroe has appropriated something to which they are not entitled. If Munroe cannot understand why women and feminists are angry about this, then Munroe is absolutely a threat to women because of their lack of self-awareness in taking something that is not theirs to have.

I spent most of my career ( before re-training 5 years ago) in the film industry. My Dh also works in film/tv and it's looking likely that my kids will follow .

I left the industry because it was impossible to sustain family life .

MB does not widen the lense. MB gives a voice to racism and personifies the misogyny and anti-woman friendly working practices within the film industry.

MB has gone straight to the front of a queue most women find themselves in all their working days within film/tv.

MB does not speak for me.

Surely there are women film makers out there? Are there?

Because if MB was the only choice the. What does that say about women in film? That it’s a pretty dreadful situation perhaps?