TRA's have shot themselves in the foot.

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I was just heading to bed when I had a thought that has given me the giggles gin induced

Trans activists have really shot themselves in the foot. Here everything we say is public so they can read it. Now, many of us have joined a totally private forum where you can't even see the names of the members unless you log in. It is also giving women a much freer reign to say what they want and we can swear.

So fuck you TRA, you knew what we were saying here, now you won't have a fucking clue, all you can do is guess.

Women 1-0 TRA

@Bowlofbabelfish, I was just going back through that thread and KateMumsnet later re-clarified that she was referring to collective nouns for trans people, not trying to restrict the expression of GC positions...

But then since discussion of individual's genitals is also not cool, about whom can such assertions be made?

Actually it's quite a good idea to have little splinter groups go off to places like piston heads which are viewed as male dominate

It is like the ant theory of self-healing networks. Break and ant column and it recreates itself using the smaller links it has going around it. Many alternative links = unnoticeable repair

I have requested to join the new forum. Thank you spontaneous. I’ll also stick around here, although I don’t post that often. It’s getting more often though as I gain in confidence. Let’s stick around as much as possible so the lurkers can gain confidence and find their voice.
The whole TRA strategy is to bring these changes about insidiously so we don’t notice them, so if we’re not talking about them in public view on here, how will people even know? We can plan and organise in Private, but we must keep talking in the public domain. Exposure is exactly what these people don’t want, and what they fear, so let’s endeavour to expose them as much as possible.

that she was referring to collective nouns for trans people, not trying to restrict the expression of GC positions...

I can find a way around collective nouns I suppose. I generally do use transwoman as a term. But the ability to hold a GC position is dependent on accurate language and the ability to discuss sex as a characteristic. It’s going to be a challenge to do that i think. But we have to try.

I'd love to join too, please

I generally do use transwoman as a term

I don't and I absolutely won't. Red line. They are not any sort of woman. It will reduce the clarity of my posts. But I will find ways to get the message across.

If you can pm me details of the new forum that would be great but I'm planning to stick around too. I agree with pps that talking on a public forum is really important.

I'm quite sure that the women who have given me some of my very favourite expressions (wankbadger, cockwomble, off you fuck) are capable of working with this and keeping one step ahead.

yep PM requested

I shall henceforth be referring to transpeople as biologically male/female transpeople. MN have ever so generously stated that we are allowed to discuss biological facts (thanks MN) so I intend to. If they ban me then they will ban me for stating biological facts.
I was quite happy to use transwoman before, because I assume everyone knows what that means, and because I’m not a fan of causing offence where it isn’t necessary, but if you push me, I’ll push back. MN have stepped across the line, but I won’t be dictated to. It’ll take more than the threat of being banned from an Internet forum to silence me. It’s taken a lot to force my hand and make me speak out, because I will lose friends, and I don’t have many friends to lose, but forcing my hand further only makes me more determined.
As a person with severe sensory impairment, I’ve been openly discriminated against all my life. As far as oppression and discrimination goes I’ve got a whole wardrobe full of the T-shirts. I have asked for, and battled for measures and concessions while demonstrating approvable and measurable need, and been granted far less than what these people have extorted. I’m not about to sit on my arse and watch what human rights I have be mocked and taken away by hateful, misogynistic bullies.

I think LBGT should now incorporate GC we are all in the fucking closet

Oh yeah, and I will no longer refer to myself as LGBT, I am a lesbian only.

I don’t like the idea of a fucking closet. It sounds sticky, sweaty and crowded.

Please PM me, I will be sticking around here too though

New forum? Is there any way a gender critical feminist such as me can join? I would love to meet people like me :-)

I’d like to join the group, but we still need to talk about it to people who haven’t ‘got it’ yet.

Me too please, of that's OK

Me too please if you are sending invites!

I generally do use transwoman as a term.

I won't. Like Eresh, it's a red line. And so, MNHQ have effectively told me I cannot refer to either of these subsets of trans people on their boards.

biologically male/female transpeople

Kate says you can't do this because you are referring to the natal sex. You can't use a collective term that refers to the natal sex. And why the fuck I'm even typing natal sex, I don't know. It's a tautology.

Please PM me too with details of the new forum!

NATAL SEX IS A TAUTOLOGY.

It's just sex. FFS @ myself.

Lang

When I accidentally say a female pronoun for a male or use any of the Orwellian language I correct myself angrily. Gaslighting is insidious.

I won't. Like Eresh, it's a red line. And so, MNHQ have effectively told me I cannot refer to either of these subsets of trans people on their boards.

And I totally respect that point of view. The objective of this assault is not to remove a specific term the group finds offensive, its to force use of the word woman to describe them. Only woman. Only that term.

And I totally respect that point of view. The objective of this assault is not to remove a specific term the group finds offensive, its to force use of the word woman to describe them. Only woman. Only that term.

Absolutely.

Hi

I’m fairly new here and there is probably another thread with this so apologies if I’m breaking etiquette.

There is this this which is for legal action against the council for its Strip Club policy.

If it needs a new thread could a MN veteran start it.

www.crowdjustice.com/case/timesupforstripclubs2/

Oh blimey, I didn't expect my tipsy rant to gain traction like this

Anyone who wants to join, please DM me and I'll send the details the admin asked me to send. The forum has nothing to do with me, I was told about it on the back of a thread I made yesterday and I have joined.

My inbox is overflowing so it may take a little minute to send out all the details and I will do a C&P to everyone, so apologies it's not very personal.