TRA's have shot themselves in the foot.

[spontaneousgiventime]

I was just heading to bed when I had a thought that has given me the giggles gin induced

Trans activists have really shot themselves in the foot. Here everything we say is public so they can read it. Now, many of us have joined a totally private forum where you can't even see the names of the members unless you log in. It is also giving women a much freer reign to say what they want and we can swear.

So fuck you TRA, you knew what we were saying here, now you won't have a fucking clue, all you can do is guess.

Women 1-0 TRA

I'd like to join to.

Falling asleep last night I was worrying if I'm allowed to say "penis " on here or not. .... But I'm staying here too.

I've PM'd you. I'd like to join the forum, and think it's still important to post on MN for all the lurkers like me, who don't feel confident or articulate enough to post often, and often by the time I've formulated a reply I'm happy with the discussion has moved on exponentially.

I've also missed the new guidelines, and don't know if my blood pressure can take it.

I'd like the link too, please, in case it all goes tits up here.

Sorry about the rant below, but if this board is really about to be so compromised by developments this week, I just wanted to say something of my feelings on it.

I'm really worried about the debate on this issue moving elsewhere. I joined Mumsnet in the last few weeks to ask about a health concern, after maybe a year of lurking as a non-member. The only reason I knew that this forum would cater to me in that regard (and so many others) as a woman with no children is that I kept stumbling across links to the Feminism boards everytime I googled a question asking what on earth was going on with transgenderism.

I am a disabled woman who lives a very isolated existence and I have no experience of seeing any of this in real life. But as I read things (again, as a lurker) on social media and in the news, I kept coming across terms that I didn't understand: non-binary, gender-fluid, demi-boy/girl, etc. Anyone who didn't accept these identities as utterly valid, and the source of the worst oppression any human has ever experienced, was either truscum (in the case of transsexuals) or cisscum (in the case of me, apparently!). Being informed by the internet that I was a bigot after a lifetime of being a socially liberal progressive was enough to shock me into endless googling as I tried to work out a way to understand this movement and its legitimacy in influencing policy. But there is no way to understand it. The more I read, and the more the issue has become mainstream, the more apparent it is that this has the potential to roll back every sex-based right women have fought for for so long. It's not even as if we have achieved parity at this point! Swapping sex for gender feelings as a defining characteristic of humans makes no sense to me at all.

I have never understood the attitude that posters on this board are to be dismissed as transphobes. The articulate, considered and nuanced debate I see here from GC posters has never been close to equalled by the transactivists here or anywhere else I've found. If you disappear, I'll lose touch with the issue, as I don't expect to meet the criteria for your private group with my miserable two previous posts on this board. The truth is, I don't have anything new, insightful, witty or in any other way valuable to your conversation. But I don't want to miss out on reading it. So please stay here to whatever extent you feel able.

My son, his girlfriend and her friend are all upstairs as I type this.

They all, in their own way, fall under the new trans umbrella definiton (as do I, seemingly!) - it's a whole host of pink hair and gender non conformity up there.

But they are still one male and two females and no one would ever question that.

Gender is not the important thing.

Sex is.

And it's blatantly obvious who is what.

All up to date again.

Admin has posted they are dealing with a LOT of emails and have a bit of a dodgy connection, they will contact you as soon as possible, please be patient due to the internet connection and number of requests to join.

Thanks everyone.

Haven't RTFT but to me, a private forum means the TRAs would win. Also, no matter how careful everyone is, sooner or later there will be a handmaid in there taking screenshots and sharing.

I disagree with TRA's winning, but that's just an individual opinion. It is simply another place to go when MN is closed to feminism chat around trans issues and women. It needs building up now as it seems it was quite a new forum when I joined and the new members are doing just that.

The admin has acknowledged this could well happen and to be honest if they are not looking for it or have already found it I would be surprised. It is invitation only so it's up to the admin whom they choose to admit - not a job I'd like. It is already clear within the forum safety first and as with here all members are warned to keep private or identifying information off the main forums. There are secret groups not visible to all members, I'm not a member of any of those so can't speak for what posters choose to put in there, but the warnings to keep themselves safe and to post as if it were an open forum is clear.

Swapping sex for gender feelings as a defining characteristic of humans makes no sense to me at all.

flourella so so agree.... madness..... on every level.... and keep on posting! One of the most exciting things happening is that lurkers are beginning to speak out more .. and more will hear us

spontaneous thank you for sharing .. I so agree...it is important to build up another space where we can talk and plan....

WHILE CONTINUING TO SHARE HERE - Talking sense with patience and often humour... so more understand and join us

.it is important to build up another space where we can talk and plan....

This is the reason I joined. I have been a vociferous voice in keeping posting out in the open for all the reasons given. I felt and still feel, it's too late scrabbling around for somewhere new once it's needed, better to do it now while there is time to do it properly and not under pressure.

Trans have plenty of private forums developing PR narratives. Then they launch them. One can do both.

Could someone pm me the new forum.
I will probably only lurk, as I tend to here, but this is invaluable discussion. I learn so much from the articulate and intelligent posters on MN and just want to keep up to speed with things.

Can someone pm me details too please

If anyone could PM me details I would appreciate it....long standing GC poster, check my credentials if necessary (do ignore the occasional Friday/Saturday night aggy post though).

...also came to WPUK Birmingham and had a corona in the pub beforehand if any of the ladies (and man) I met then are on this thread.

I’d also like to know about the new forum please, I’ll pm you spontaneous

All sent and up to date lol.

I've contacted you Spontaneous

I don't plan to stop posting on MN, but it would be nice to have a safe space in which to speak freely, exchange activism strategies and ideas.

I have learned so much from incredibly articulate and passionate women on here. I am sad that we are having to engage in verbal acrobatics and self-censoring simply to avoid being silenced.

ResistanceIsNecessary Sent.

I don't think anyone who has joined this forum would disagree with your sentiments. Many, if not all will still post here, there is just another option, just in case.

A backup plan is needed and has been provided for us. It is now for us to choose if we want to use that resource. Judging by the amount of DM's I've received, I would suggest many women do.

Thank you - I have emailed the admin.

I think it's a great idea for identifying what actions we want to take and being able to debate and find a unified voice and message.

Thanks spontaneous

I would like to join if possible.

I will still use here too mind, because I think its important to not be bullied off a forum that has been a lifeline to me since I joined, but I am also really nosey and another space dominated by female people could not be a bad thing

I recently changed my name back to this one, which was my second username, but I can give full username history to anyone to prove I am not dodgy. I think that you can send PMs from all of your previous names? If so I can do that if needed

Thank you

Thanks, Spontaneous. I'm in awe of your efficiency.