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How will we know if we have lost good women?

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loveyouradvice · 13/06/2018 20:26

I fear we will lose some of our strongest most vibrant voices, torn down by the current wordspeak policies..... Can we keep a record here of those we lose? I do NOT want to forget them.

I thought it was so telling that the GC would have happily kept all language (even the abhorrent Cis and Terf) ... while the trans-allies wanted to curtail as much speech as they possibly could....

To all strong GC voices - Please DO NOT leave us - your voice counts for more here than on any other forum.... Mumsnet is watched by the world and will be responsible for our keeping women and girls safe .... even if you have to clip your wings a little to get your message across, please hang on in here ... IT IS SO IMPORTANT

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loveyouradvice · 14/06/2018 14:11

I'm happy for anyone to be pointed in the direction of the Trans Widows thread. We've so far not been targeted or criticised, if that is a possibility I'm fine with it being smoked out.

I have asked @MNHQ for clarification that the thread be allowed to stand, and to continue in the same vein, but I've no serious worry that it will be pulled. Mumsnet has a proud history of enabling women in difficult relationships to support each other and I can't see that changing.

Glad you did this... I think that if Mumsnet limited the freedom of speech in anyway on such an important thread there would be uproar - There are so many of us who know how important it is and who would ensure others knew

I also think that Mumsnet have spoken a lot about intent and not being goady - it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other and explore the emotions and situations they find themselves in

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loveyouradvice · 14/06/2018 14:16

Re Transwidows .. this is the really crucial part

I also think that Mumsnet have spoken a lot about intent and not being goady - it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other and explore the emotions and situations they find themselves in

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Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 14:28

woman

Oh please do start a thread about this sort of thing

Ive heard such a lot information about 'debating' tactics and grooming etc

Very very interesting and i will make sure my children are given the same information I'm learning

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 14:28

Wow i sound keen

womanformallyknownaswoman · 14/06/2018 14:55

Rufustheyawningreindeer

I've just started another post so will leave it for a day or two and then your wish is my command :)

The grooming, gaslighting, plus faux victimhood should make for interesting reading on here...

I suggest Red Riding Hood as background reading - those wolves are real tricksters

KittyKlaws · 14/06/2018 15:01

I would be very interested too woman , I'll be looking out for your thread.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 14/06/2018 15:04

Me too!!! I'll watch out for the thread as well. It sounds intriguing.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 15:22

Lovely

Thank you woman

thebewilderness · 14/06/2018 22:28

LassWiADelicateAir

I do not understand why you expect everyone here to research the posting history of other posters. I think it an odd thing to do.
I do not know why you have always directed so much hostility toward me personally. I don't care.

I am going to go back to ignoring your abusive behavior.

SupermatchGame · 14/06/2018 22:33

it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other

And it is totally understandable that there would be a need for such a support. No one would deny that. I guess the question for MN is more about whether or not this is the right place for it.

GibbertyFlibbert · 14/06/2018 22:41

"it is clear that this is a support thread for women who much need it and that whatever language they use they are not being goady or intending to insult others, just to support each other"

I for one support the trans widows thread. So long as it isn't a problem with advertisers, I hope it stays.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 22:44

Oh fucking hell

Do you think you sound reasonable?

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 22:44

Actually dont answer that

I dont care

Waddlelikeapenguin · 14/06/2018 23:03

rufus Gin

I may have to stick to pictures for a while....

Pratchet · 14/06/2018 23:06

I guess the question for MN is more about whether or not this is the right place for it

Yes, it is. It isn't the right place for people who want to silence traumatised women.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 23:07

Its probably safer waddle Wine

JuzzaL · 14/06/2018 23:09

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 14/06/2018 23:17

JuzzaL GrinStar

LassWiADelicateAir · 14/06/2018 23:24

I do not understand why you expect everyone here to research the posting history of other posters. I think it an odd thing to do

If I were going to accuse a poster of lying, which is what the calling out of "you're a man" or that tedious "behold a man" meme or your oh so helpful not everyone is who they say they are warning, actually are, I would to make sure I wasn't making a mistake.

As I said before my favourite one was the poster who despite having posted on other boards about leaving her abusive partner was told she was really a man.

If you have a problem with my posts report them. Or have you tried that and it hasn't worked? As for hostility - try taking a look at yourself sometime. I wonder which of us has had more deletions.

I found the thread I'm referring to. The first of your deleted posts was your immediate response to the OP saying she was a woman. I'm assuming that would have been your "no one knows" etc line. So rather than taking what was said at face value you chose to attack the poster as being fake.

Feel free to report this post.

BarrackerBarmer · 14/06/2018 23:26

I guess the question for MN is more about whether or not this is the right place for it

This is one of those times when it would be useful and illuminating to compare and contrast the sex of the people who set up this site, the sex of the people they intended to support, the sex of the people being supported on the thread in question
and
The sex of the poster questioning whether this is the right place for it.

But as I can't I won't.

Pratchet · 14/06/2018 23:51

Women aren't even allowed to talk privately. Talk about controlling. What tiny little people they are.

AngryAttackKittens · 15/06/2018 00:50

Yes, a site aimed at women is the right place for a support thread for women who's having issues with their partners.

Does the fact that someone would ask if it was tell us many interesting things about them? Also yes, very much so.

birdsdestiny · 15/06/2018 07:29

Everytime they post sentences like that, asking if a womans forum is the place for support for those who are traumatised by their partner's behaviour, lurkers see it. Every time more and more people see it.

Bowlofbabelfish · 15/06/2018 07:39

I guess the question for MN is more about whether or not this is the right place for it.

Can you explain why you think it might not be?