I just peak-trans'd again!

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

Who knew peak-transing could be like multiple orgasms?

Anyway just have to share my story. I was just removed from a feminist Facebook group after someone posted about Trans claiming “they are women” and I replied they weren’t.

Someone then called me a “terf” and “trash” and then > I < got removed despite the fact I didn't use any slurs, call anyone names, just stated that me agreeing that trans-women are women is tantamount to claiming 2+2=5 in Orwell's 1984.

I'd peak-trans'd long ago but this is the icing on my womanly (cause y'know, wimminz love to bake) cake.

The thing is, the outwardly visible attributes of sex (before any medical intervention) are distinctly imperfect of inwardly experienced sex, things like brain chemistry

What the fuck does this sentence mean please?

Am incredibly ratty and my brain isn't working tonight.

"An adult human with a child birthing reproductive system, even where this system is incomplete or not fully functioning." includes most trans women

Never has the phrase "you can't argue with stupid" seemed more apt.

Transwomen. Biologically male. In possession (prior to surgery) of penis, testicles and prostate. Not in possession of (prior or after surgery) uterus, cervix, vagina, clitoris (no matter what fancy tricks the surgeon performs to invert the penis and leave the glans in a position approximately corresponding to a woman's clitoris).

No the outliers prove that sex is not bimorphic

"Oh come on. When TRAs on here are telling us that trans women [aka men] have 'birthing reproductive systems' - surely even you can't sit there nodding?"

Post surgery they are more female than male.

No the outliers prove that sex is not bimorphic

Someone doesn't understand probability and statistics.

It shows just the opposite. It shows that out of thousands of neonates, only a rare few will be born DISORDERED, meaning, NOT ORDERED or against the general rule of dimorphism.

No they don't prove any such thing. Any more than that bloke limping around Sainsbury's proves that humans only have one leg.

Can you really not understand exceptions?

If sex is not dimorphic, outliers could not exist.

Gibb Im quite intrested in your ideas about sexual attraction now.

Watch a programme like Geordie Shore. Or Love Island. These people all know what sex each other are, amd even what sex strangers are on first meeting.

So are they magic? Or just far more intelligent than you?

Much as I hate to play the "you sound like a man" card (I tend to agree with Lass on this one), nonetheless in this case I'm starting to wonder if, never mind Gibberty's parnter, Gibberty themselves is trans - because surely no-one in possession of a genuine female reproductive system could be this dense about what it is to be in possession of a genuine female reproductive system.

(I know Gibberty has said they're "cis" (sic), but frankly, as the old adage has it, on the internet no-one knows you're a dog.)

Actually, scratch the last bit of that sentence. I just find it mind-blowing that anyone could be that dense, full stop. The "Parody from Viz/Agent Provocateur" theory is looking more plausible by the post.

No the outliers prove that sex is not bimorphic

Said no scientist ever.

Also it is DIMORPHIC for the fiftieth fucking time.

Stop debating with deluded people.

There is no hope for them.

To be fair, I have a lot more sympathy now I know the personal situation.

"When we say that sex is bimorphic Gibberty what is meant is that in order to reproduce, two entities and two entities alone are necessary, these being sperm and egg. There is no sperm-egg continuum with a 90& sperm/10% egg compound near the sperm end and a 90% egg/10%sperm compound near the egg end. It's just sperm and egg. Nothing else. "

Gametes are bimorphic indeed but multi-cellular humans are much more complex.

Gibberty do you genuinely believe that transwomen have child birthing reproductive systems?

For the pedants bimorphic is an alternative to dimorphic. en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bimorphic

And you will see it is a paraphilia and therefore totally different to the issue of gender identity

It's quite a, you know... specific paraphilia though don't you think? Quite logical why it would be included under that big old transumbrella. By Stonewall etc. No?

Black eyed susan - incorrect - no such thing as a male /:female brain - the brains plasticity means from birth we are influenced by gender stereotypes ie baby boys are given soft balls to play with and girls soft dolls therefore we may develop more masc / femme type traits due to social.influences.

"Gibberty do you genuinely believe that transwomen have child birthing reproductive systems?"

Since everyone here insists that sex is dimorphic, we have to classify the reproductive system after surgery as either male or female and female is obviously the better fit.

luna

No they dont

They believe that transmen (human females) are actually biological men (human males)

A cartoon version of an incel MRA transactivist in Viz wouldn't be this obnoxious and wrong about everything.

really quite something, isn't it?

No. You are ducking the question. The definition needs to be robust so that there is clarity. So no exceptions please. I don't believe a comprehensive biological definition is possible, certainly not with severe prejudice against some women. Prove me wrong.

Lol. Not having any exceptions due to sexual development problems are not required to define the male and female sex class. If you have a Y you are either a man or intersex. Either way you're not of the sex that can produce ova. You are of the sex that can produce sperm.

No the outliers prove that sex is not bimorphic

SMH

Do you believe that? Or are you pretending to believe it?

Ok could you explain how a transwoman gives birth please?

Since everyone here insists that sex is dimorphic, we have to classify the reproductive system after surgery as either male or female and female is obviously the better fit.

No, Gibberty, that is just a load of utter tosh, it has been explained to you thousands of times why that is the case.

"Black eyed susan - incorrect - no such thing as a male /:female brain - the brains plasticity means from birth we are influenced by gender stereotypes ie baby boys are given soft balls to play with and girls soft dolls therefore we may develop more masc / femme type traits due to social.influences."

The evidence doesn't support your claim. To hide their gender variance a lot of trans people over-compensate. A good example is Jan Hamilton www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-535010/The-6ft-ex-soldier-won-personal-war--woman.html. I only met her once (during the period they were filming the documentary) but she is a very interesting person.

Anyway, people like Jan prove that the cause isn't socialisation.

"Lol. Not having any exceptions due to sexual development problems are not required to define the male and female sex class. If you have a Y you are either a man or intersex. Either way you're not of the sex that can produce ova. You are of the sex that can produce sperm."

So are you claiming then that sex isn't dimorphic?

No, the reproductive system is still very much male, just an incomplete and non-functioning male system now. The balls are gone but the penis is still partially there (although inverted) and the chromosomes are still XY for your typical transwoman who does not have an intersex condition. So elements of a male system and still no elements of a female system (ie no XX chromosomes, no uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes or vagina - although you have an approximation of a vagina it is actually an inverted penis and doesn't function in the same way as the female sex organ).