Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

[Wakame]

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

No, Gibberty, people think children are deserving of not being given unnecessary medication with appalling side effects for a condition that they will more than likely grow out of in a few years.

Read TammySwansonTwo's post at 15:44.

Shocker, no response? Thought not.

The fact that you’ve twisted this into children being less deserving of medical care is beyond disgusting.

Children deserve a future, a life, a life worth living. If that requires transition, they can receive non-invasive treatment until their bodies are mature - at least they’ll maintain their fertility and their physical health. Condemning them to a life of potentially horrendous complications so that they’ll pass more easily is unconscionable. They can’t become the other sex biologically, they can’t retain their fertility so this is a shocking thing to put a child through. No child of 11 is worrying about having kids in the future, so let’s see what the regret rate is when these kids hit 35.

Yes, not to mention the fact that freezing unfertilised eggs is dramatically less effective than freezing fertilised eggs - even if they did this, the chances of being able to conceive and carry successfully from an unfertilised frozen egg is small. Can these kids comprehend this?

Sentence should read...

routed in a mysogynistic medical model.

Train of thought inturrupted by scavenging children.

Can these kids comprehend this?

I don't think this matters to the likes of Gibberty and wakame. They need a generation of fucked up children to validate their claims that they always 'felt' like girls/women. The more children there are who are 'trans', the more the world believes that they 'always knew they were female', because some people are 'born in the wrong body'.

I hope that at some point everyone will eventually wake up and realise that (a) most children who go through a phase of thinking they're the opposite sex grow out of it, and (b) only a tiny minority of people have gender dysphoria (nothing like the numbers of children being referred for the condition) and (c) most of the people pushing the trans agenda are cross dressing fetishists, and drugged and mutilated children are just collateral damage to validate their fetish.

Neither sperm nor ova would be mature enough before a certain age anyway.

These children would be sterilised.

It breaks my hearts. These children are being misled and down the line this will be a huge scandal. I hope there aren’t too many victims.

If one of my children needed them due to precocious puberty I would have a very hard time deciding what to do. If they were trans, there’s nothing on earth that would make me give them these drugs, and I’m not sure anyone who’s been on them would either.

Having known adults who've taken Lupron I'd never give it to a child. The side effects are brutal (and well documented, look up the class action lawsuit).

It sickens me that the idea that they’ll pass easier is given more importance than the physical effects of these drugs.

It's because this child transing is being pushed to prop up their ideology and legitimise the cause. I don't think large scale sterilisation of physically healthy children legitimises anything, but this is Orwellian Opposite World we're dealing with.

The fact that you’ve twisted this into children being less deserving of medical care is beyond disgusting.

YY. I know what I think is "chillingly awful".

www.nwhn.org/lupron-what-does-it-do-to-womens-health/
www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/
www.lupronvictimshub.com/

It's 'chillingly awful' to give children puberty blockers and to position them as a 'pause' for them to consider their options. It's a hideous lie and there will be lawsuits.

Oh and as for the 'there's no pharma interest in trans medication' line: "The injections are leuprorelin made intramuscularly by a health professional. Depot Lupron can cost from $700 to $1,500 a month depending on the country where it is practiced.

The implant is a small tube containing histrelin. The implant needs to be replaced every year. The total cost of histrelin treatment with the surgery is $15,000."

So no vested interest in that at all

cf article discussed in thread below;

"The transgender movement has transformed cultural norms and social institutions at breathtaking speed. Most of us, becoming acquainted with the trans issue for the first time, are astonished to discover the extent of the gender revolution. The movement has accomplished in a few years what the movements for women’s and for gay and lesbian rights took many decades to achieve.

Part of the explanation is the amount of money behind transgenderism.... "continues

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3260270-Michael-Biggs-Oxford-Sociology-dept-The-Open-Society-Foundations-the-transgender-movement-incl-comparison-with-funding-for-women

As I replied to SMG:
The bit you quote from the second article has no references to back it up. If the authors are so sure that people could not be cured of their delusions, then why not cite the studies which showed this to be the case?

Yes there was a detailed reference to back it up which I posted.

The first article is irrelevant as it is about 'curing' a homosexual transsexual of their homosexuality.

It also addressed the subject's feeling that he: felt himself to be a female.

Supermatch

Your detailed post was quoting stuff from the 60s and 70s. Is there really nothing more recent that supports your argument?

The first article is from 1973. Is there nothing more recent?

It may be impossible to convince someone delusional that their delusion is not real. The rest of the world should not have to believe in (or pretend to believe in) their delusion.

Going back a few pages to the mention of transferring uterus from females to males.

I was reading an article the other day where women identifying as trans wanting a hysterectomy were surveyed as to their willingness to donate their uterus for TIM's, if I recall accurately about half were willing, the other half refused/declined to answer.

I found the article quite chilling not least as a side effect of the rise in girls and young women coming out as trans and wanting surgery, is that they could potentially provide a supply of natural material for doctors to experiment on.

@TammySwansonTwo
I'm so sorry for what you've experienced. I'm equally sorry that the medical community has largely ignored (or even actively suppressed?) adverse consequences of GnRHAs. I agree that even if one of my children had precocious puberty, I would be incredibly hesitant to use Lupron.

Several other thoughts about the study:

1. Let's keep in mind study participants were from referrals between 2000 and 2008. Arguably, this is before the era of universal affirmative therapy. In other words, these were very likely children who met the much stricter diagnosis criteria of gender dysphoria that had been the basis for therapy. To apply these results to the 2018 population of trans children and teens, (blockers and hormones offered even on the first assessment in a gender clinic, minimal psychiatric evaluation), is absolutely wrong.
2. As mentioned by others, the follow-up period is far too short. Regret may not come until much farther along in life, when the consequences of their "treatment" are fully evident and meaningful. (Infertility may not be grieved until much later in adulthood.)

Adverse effects of the medications used may also be delayed in their onset.

1. Finally, to be clear, the journal Pediatrics is indeed the publication of the American Academy of Pediatrics. The AAP is an engineer on the trans train; they are a driving force behind the affirmative approach and you will absolutely not see any trans-critical research published by them. Pediatrics may be a leading journal in the field, but that does NOT mean it is not biased and the AAP can be very self-serving.

It's wonderful that the medical profession can help treat these poor kids now

I wish I could have had blockers as a child

@Lefthanddown
That is beyond dystopian. I feel sick reading that. Truly nauseated.

Can we please dispel the MYTH that men will be the recipients of "womb transplants" in the future and be able to gestate? Anyone suggesting this is grossly ignorant of human physiology.

Pregnancy requires far more than a uterus. Almost every aspect of a woman's body changes to accommodate the growing fetus. Her immune system, her blood volume and heart, her muscles and ligaments, her brain, her kidneys, her gastrointestinal tract, her microbiome--all under the very specialized and orchestrated control of MANY hormones, (not just good ol' estrogen and progesterone). There is simply no possible way that the appropriate balance of exogenous hormones could be given to a male to maintain pregnancy.

Not to mention the gross violation of ethical practice to even attempt. Sickens me.

@J4nice, do you ever feel like you're trapped? Like you're constantly trying to summit a mountain on which there really is no peak? I'm just curious if you've ever thought about approaching your identity differently.

It's taken me MANY years to come to accept my physical body for what it is and isn't. And I'm finally content. I might have a few pounds to lose, but I'm more interested in just being healthy than how I look. I feel so grateful to be at a place of self acceptance. I would hope the same for you.

Thanks George

Do you really wish that J4nice? Did you see my previous comments? I promise you that you’ve had a lucky escape not having these drugs - I’m not surprised that you feel this way when they’re painted as harmless but I guarantee you that’s not the case.

Agree GeorgeFayne .

I believe J4nice has now been escorted from the building. Given their trolling posts across a wide number of threads, it's hard to differentiate fact from fantasy in their posting history, so I wouldn't put too much weight on a claim to be trans on their part (they were inhabiting the persona of a bible belt Christian on the thread on sexual health clinics, for instance, and claiming to be autistic on a thread on abortion in NI, not to mention being a lesbian on another thread).

I believe J4nice has now been escorted from the building. Given their trolling posts across a wide number of threads, it's hard to differentiate fact from fantasy in their posting history, so I wouldn't put too much weight on a claim to be trans on their part (they were inhabiting the persona of a bible belt Christian on the thread on sexual health clinics, for instance, and claiming to be autistic on a thread on abortion in NI, not to mention being a lesbian on another thread).

YY

I'm surprised that GibbertyFlibbert hasn't accompanied J4nice, given their confidence in asserting that J4nice honestly did bleed every single day