Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

[Wakame]

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

Just because you don't see any practical use in them, doesn't mean others don't find them useful

Just be careful what you say in case you find yourself quoted out of context on Twatter.

These GFs know they are not going to change minds here and they are not looking to have their own mind changed. They are posting for a reason.

I also think it's worth people understanding who is posting it and why

Yes agreed :)

Just be careful what you say in case you find yourself quoted out of context on Twatter.

Yes, good advice - and true of any thread, no matter who starts it.

no matter who starts it

but some are started to be provocative and are carefully watched.

Yes. There's no good faith here. It's entrapment.

@DN4GeekinDerby unless I'm reading your post wrong I think you might have misunderstood p-values. You say the results aren't statistically significant, and that you haven't seen so many less than .001s in a while. P

Somebody told me about a study from the Netherlands where only 18% of 30 year olds who had transitioned as kids were still trans. Does anyone have info on that?

So many posts - so little time! I will try to answer a few of the points raised.

"It is fucking outrageous that adults with metal health problems are allowed to promote sterilising children as if it is a thing."

You're being disingenuous. The purpose of supporting trans kids with puberty blockers etc where necessary is no more about sterilisation than appendix removal in children is about sticking knives in their bellies.

"This is a technique called Gish Galloping."

Hmm, there have been complaints across several threads now that I am not answering enough questions, and now I am making too many posts. You guys should have a chat about this first and see if you can come to a consensus.

While you're at it, perhaps you can decide whether I am perpetuating feminine stereotypes or behaving like a typical man.

The outcome of puberty blockers followed by cross sex hormones is that is those children are sterilised, and are also unable to orgasm when they reach adulthood.

This is a human rights issue.

"Oh God womb transplants. Do males talking about this have any idea how deeply sinister they sound ?"

I know, isn't is shocking - someone who is infertile and considers themselves female, might want to be able to have a baby - outrageous.

Again, you guys need to sort out your argument - first you say sterilisation is terrible, but now a fix for it is also terrible. It's starting to sound a teensy bit like transphobia - you know - whatever a trans person wants must by definition be something bad.

Today in TRA news - organ harvesting is in no way sinister and should not be objected to by the people whose organs it's been decided should be up for grabs.

"Somebody's making a great profit out of other people's misery. Drugs, surgery, facial feminization, hair transplants, surrogates."

I know, and then there's also those oncology consultants making a fortune out of cancer.

Just want to repeat this excellent observation by NatLuc:

"Because the way I see it, is that if trans young people are forced to be powerless with regards to their own body decisions then 'the system' should pay for forcing these young people to undergo otherwise avoidable changes. Not just some of the treatments, but all of them. And see them through to completion (for example, 30 hours of electorlysis paid for on the NHS and also £2500 worth of laser our of my own pocket for facial hair removal is not enough. I will likely need another 40+ hours to totally clear the hair I have due to puberty at £60 an hour). "

Yes. There's no good faith here. It's entrapment

As well as this it's an attempt to suck our energy in a fruitless battle and distract us from more productive endeavours.

Where are the uteruses for the uterus transplants going to come from, OP?

"Today in TRA news - organ harvesting is in no way sinister and should not be objected to by the people whose organs it's been decided should be up for grabs."

Yes, because of course, trans women are advocating for the forced harvesting of wombs. You people are so funny.

Here's an thought though, perhaps if Posie Parker gets her way and trans men are forcibly sterilised, there'll be plenty of wombs to go round

"In any other avenue adults who promote anything remotely harmful to children have the door rightly slammed shut in their face. "

You mean like forcing a trans child to go through the puberty that feels wrong for them despite knowing that it will leave them with physical changes that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and may drive them to suicide.

Odd, isn't it, how women prefer not to be seen as a source of spare parts for males?

"Where are the uteruses for the uterus transplants going to come from, OP?"

As far as I know, the first successful case was mother to daughter. That's right - someone loved their daughter enough to donate their womb.

But hey, I've already been compared to Ed Gein in this forum - why not Burke and Hare too?

"Odd, isn't it, how women prefer not to be seen as a source of spare parts for males?"

I take it your not on the organ donor register then. Perhaps you should campaign for a new register where you can specify what sort of people get your organs - no blacks, no Irish, no trans maybe?

Do try to be a bit less creepy, dear.

"Blocking puberty at any point has massive effects."

So does not blocking puberty in some trans kids. You know - like death for example.

"Do try to be a bit less creepy, dear."

Right back at ya ;-)

I can see merit in both sides of the argument wrt how to deal with this situation.

I think it probably does suck time and energy especially if some posters on the boards are not aware of someone like Wakame's history but if that's been flagged up and people still want to engage then fine - I'm never really comfortable with shutting down the conversation.