Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

[Wakame]

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

If you treat an anorexic that way you kill them. If you support a trans child through transition, you save them. Think about it

This has echoes with comments such as "I'd rather have a son than a dead daughter"

Do you agree that Samaritans' guidance should be taken seriously?

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide

Wakame:

How can the dosing of the 80% of children who desist be justified? It cannot. It is unethical and abusive.

"I know that they are a one-issue poster who pretends to be interested in debate but actually never engages with anything that anyone else says."

See above.

" in the hope to antagonise us and get some good screen shots to take out of context and twat on twatter"

Well, you could always try engaging without saying really horrible things about trans people - you know, like trans men should be forcibly sterilised etc.

I don't see how the suicide stats CAN be true on current numbers, even if they once were. Well, maybe 'suicide attempts plus ideation', but not actual suicides.

With over 2000 new GI referrals each year, you would be seeing (ballpark) 1000 suicides or serious attempts in transgender children annually if those stats were correct. But there were around 200 child suicides last year in the UK in total, all of them appalling, but not all of them trans. It's not even clear if any of them were trans.

Can humans change sex?

If not, how is it ethical to affirmatively treat children with GID?

How can dosing 100% oh gender questioning children with highly damaging drugs be justified when 80% of the population desists?

"How can dosing 100% oh gender questioning children with highly damaging drugs be justified when 80% of the population desists?"

growinguptransgender.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/the-end-of-the-desistance-myth/

So far then, no one has posted any counter science to the OP finding negative results in young adults who underwent puberty blockade etc.

What strikes me as strange is that so many of you claim genuine concern about these children, and yet you are so unable to express any relief or optimism over a study that suggests these kids are doing well.

It looks a teensy bit like you can't bear trans people to find happiness.

Medically transitioned children are sterile and unable to orgasm as adults.

Its odd that you expect women on the feminist board of a parenting forum to agree with it.

"I don't see how the suicide stats CAN be true on current numbers, even if they once were. Well, maybe 'suicide attempts plus ideation', but not actual suicides."

I agree but I fear for the effect of the attempts to discourage people receiving medical treatment as early as possible and the horrible abuse we are now seeing with terms like TIM being used.

You are not answering the questions.

Can humans change sex?

If humans cannot change sex how is it ethical to treat affirmatively?

How can highly harmful drugs be justified for minors?

Your original post has been replied to and the study within has been critiqued and commented on. The data is poor, the study design is poor. It wouldn’t have passed my review.

This is a parenting site. Most of us have children. All of us are supportive of child safeguarding measures and all of us are critical of anything that can harm children or remove child safeguarding measures. And, I must say, of people and groups who push harmful treatments onto minors for ideological purposes.

"As a literary device, irony is a contrast or incongruity between expectations for a situation and what is reality. This can be a difference between the surface meaning of something that is said and the underlying meaning. It can also be a difference between what might be expected to happen and what actually occurs."

"Medically transitioned children are ... unable to orgasm as adults."

What complete and utter rubbish. I assure you that trans people are orgasmic

Can you explain how TIM is abusive? Dispassionately?

A Male, who identifies as trans. It seems fairly descriptive to me. Can you explain in what way it is abusive?

I would class horrible abuse, by the way, as stuff like being blocked from a meeting by masked men, or being punched to the floor by a chap who is six foot two when you’re a sixty year old small woman. Or being stalked online, or shouted at or spat at in the street. That sort of thing. Or online, genuine threats, swearing, etc.

I’m interested in how generally polite but disagreeing posts on a parenting site can be construed in someone’s mind as ‘horrible abuse.’ It seems to imply a very unbalanced view of reality.

"Can humans change sex?"

That's an irrelevant question because the Gender Recognition Act recognises that the original sex assignment is wrong. That's why s9(ii) of the a t requires that historical documents etc are re-interprepted.

"A Male, who identifies as trans. It seems fairly descriptive to me. Can you explain in what way it is abusive? "

Because you are applying the term to women, not to men.

The purpose of a gender identity clinic is to identify the genuine cases. Puberty blockade allows time for that process to be thorough.

But puberty blockers are powerful drugs. Apart from all the side effects which people keep telling you about, they stop the maturation of the brain which would cause desistance in most children. So they nearly all go on to cross-sex hormones. Puberty blockers effectively create transgender children. Do you think that's a good thing?

I assure you that trans people are orgasmic

Nobody is saying that no trans people can orgasm.

What we are saying is that children who are prevented from going through puberty at a young age won't be sexually mature adults. How can they be if they've not gone through puberty.

See Jazz Jennings. Been on blockers for ages, their penis is a child's penis, can't use it to make a neo-vagina. Don't tell me they have normal sexual function, they don't.

"But puberty blockers are powerful drugs. Apart from all the side effects which people keep telling you about, they stop the maturation of the brain which would cause desistance in most children. So they nearly all go on to cross-sex hormones. Puberty blockers effectively create transgender children. Do you think that's a good thing?"

The believe that, for anyone under age, the doctors are best to decide on a case by case basis.

That's an irrelevant question because the Gender Recognition Act recognises that the original sex assignment is wrong. That's why s9(ii) of the a t requires that historical documents etc are re-interprepted.

No it isn't irrelevant. The law does not say a person has changed sex. The law allows the person to be treated as the opposite sex in a number of arena.

Historical documents remain. The original birth certificate retains the sex observed (not assigned, one does not flip a coin or choose, one observes the sex of the baby.) and new documents are issued on top of that to retain the legal fiction. So a new birth certificate is obtained, the original remains and the person involved has a set of legal protection due to their transgender status. As is proper under the law.

The question can humans change sex is actually key to the whole debate.

I keep asking it, and not a single person has said yes. Can you imagine that? We are being asked to give up vital protections for women, we are being told to believe that a man can become a woman - actually become one. And we are reviving twitter bans and censure for saying transwomen are Male and men do not have penises.

And yet not a single person I’ve asked the question to will nail their colours to the post and say they believe humans can actually change sex.

They usually reply with some waffle about gender, spectrums blah blah. But nobody yet has said they believe humans can change sex. actual sex. Not gender or feelings. Sex.

Which is really fascinating.

"What we are saying is that children who are prevented from going through puberty at a young age won't be sexually mature adults. How can they be if they've not gone through puberty.

See Jazz Jennings. Been on blockers for ages, their penis is a child's penis, can't use it to make a neo-vagina. Don't tell me they have normal sexual function, they don't."

It's a bit graphic but try this www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=160258.0

Because you are applying the term to women, not to men.

So do you believe humans can change sex?

Wakame
As SupermatchGame said:..

As I replied to SMG:
The bit you quote from the second article has no references to back it up. If the authors are so sure that people could not be cured of their delusions, then why not cite the studies which showed this to be the case?

The first article is irrelevant as it is about 'curing' a homosexual transsexual of their homosexuality.

"The original birth certificate retains the sex observed (not assigned, one does not flip a coin or choose, one observes the sex of the baby.)"

No. The original birth certificate is a document so it is subject to s9(ii) of the Gender Recognition Act and, if it says male, that is read as" female". You really need to read the law.