Study find trans kids thrive after early transition

[Wakame]

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

A study has found that young adults who transitioned in childhood through puberty suppression and cross sex hormones are thriving. Here's an excerpt:

"After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being."

It's a small study, but of course, when the results are so unambiguous, they become statistically significant even with smaller studies. You can of course counter this study with more science - just find a larger study that shows the opposite.

the doctors are best to decide on a case by case basis worries me.

A couple of years ago, DD narrowly avoided what would have been utterly unnecessary surgery, strongly recommended by her consultant, when she by chance saw a different consultant brought in to help with the workload. (He suggested an alternative treatment, which has worked well, leaves no 6-inch scars and didn't require 6 months of recovery.)

Misdiagnosis happens. Unless you think that every child who is gender-questioning is automatically trans, and that it's a tragedy for a child NOT to turn out to be trans, you have to go cautiously.

The original birth certificate remains with the original observed sex. The anendended documentation such as passports etc are given.

There is no change of sex. There is a legal fiction that the person can be recognised as the opposite sex

do you believe humans can change sex?

It's a bit graphic but try this

1. It is not clear what age the poster is
2. People in the thread are confirming that it may be possible to perform SRS with a micro-penis, sexual function is not discussed.

No one willing to say humans can change sex?

Thought not. So why are women being hounded off twitter etc for saying men remain men?

the doctors are best to decide on a case by case basis

If the majority of children will desist, and you can't tell which ones, it is unethical to treat any of them with powerful puberty blocking medication.

Psychosexual outcome of gender-dysphoric children.

CONCLUSIONS:
Most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty. Children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria. With regard to sexual orientation, the most likely outcome of childhood GID is homosexuality or bisexuality.

Only the truly homophobic would advocate treating all those children with puberty blockers.

Wakame at14. 17 you inserted the word forcibly there. Stop exaggerating.

I agree on that one flibgib
Two birth certificates denotes a legal male female. Not a female.

OldCrone trans ideology is profoundly homophobic. It's hardly surprising that the well-being of kids who'll grow up to be LGB aren't a priority for TRAs.

(extract)
"There are very few circumstances where a birth certificate can be changed. This is because a birth certificate is an historical record, which was correct when the birth was registered"

www.deedpoll.org.uk/CanABirthCertificateBeChanged.html

Has anyone met someone who does not claim to be trans, who claims to have a “gender identity “ ? I haven’t. It just seems an inflated way of describing tastes, personality, likes and dislikes. I don’t have a gender identity. No one I know, apart from one trans person, has a gender identity. There is this myth that we all have one, and it is innate and immutable. Children are being told that they must have one. I am a female person, I like some traditionally female things, and some traditionally male things. Like everyone else I’ve ever met.

No one I know, apart from one trans person, has a gender identity

I think it's becoming particularly fashionable amongst young people, except that they understand gender as 'male' and 'female'.

"There are very few circumstances where a birth certificate can be changed. This is because a birth certificate is an historical record, which was correct when the birth was registered"

Correct because it doesn't need to change because it is reinterpreted

I was looking for the BBC program that I watched last year, 'No More Boys & Girls, can our kids go gender free?' Its sadly no longer available on iPlayer.
I thought it made such important points about how limiting gender stereotypes were.
www.outlineproductions.co.uk/productions/no-more-boys-and-girls-can-our-kids-go-gender-free/

This issue of suicide really, really upsets me. I've lost patients and family members to it; suicide is horrific, devastating, and there is nothing good about it. Full stop.

Threatening suicide, however, is an entirely different matter. Sometimes, it's a cry for help. Sometimes, it's emotional blackmail.

If it's a cry for help, then there is clearly an underlying mental health issue. That individual needs prompt assessment and intensive treatment, (likely for a major depressive disorder), REGARDLESS of other comorbidities.

The threat of suicide being used as a manipulative tactic, whether in a marriage, relationship between parent-child, or on a larger cultural scale to achieve a specific aim is abhorrent and unethical. We must be brave enough to call it out.

Ironic, too, that many trans-rights individuals focus so much on suicide while they actively try to remove gender identity disorders from mental health classification...

See, it’s funny because on multiple occasions on this thread alone I have referenced the decade-long effects I’ve suffered after just two years on gnrh analogues as a grown woman, and yet you don’t seem to want to respond to that.

I’ve been unable to work a proper job for 8 years. For six years, I became completely asexual where I wasn’t before. I have the precursor to osteoporosis. I have fatigue so severe I can’t move some days. My hormones are fucked. My thyroid is fucked. My body is fucked. My marriage was utterly fucked. If you want to talk about suicidal, talk to a group of women who’ve been on this medication temporarily and whose lives have been decimated, then see if you fancy giving this drug to your own child for extended periods of time.

But sure, ignore this again. Trans children - even those who do not desist - can transition as adults if they wish. Giving them a drug that fucks with their pituitary gland and causes IRREVERSIBLE damage is not essential, but that’s what they’re being told all over the Internet. They’re being told that their lives will be unbearable if they don’t - I’ve seen it happen.

When I was trying to understand what was happening when this drug detonated my entire life, I went looking for answers. There were none. The research isn’t there. I posted on various forums in the last 10 years and i still get emails to this day from desperate women in the same situation.

Has anyone met someone who does not claim to be trans, who claims to have a “gender identity “ ?

I've had a few people tell me that they, and I, have a gender identity that matches our sex.

I certainly don't have any at all but I suspect they were persuaded they had to look for one deeeeep inside.

"Only the truly homophobic would advocate treating all those children with puberty blockers."

Equally only the truly transphobic would deny treatment to everyone.

Children are being told that they must have one

I think this is a real concern. And if they don't fit in neatly to whatever stereotypes they perceive as representing their sex, they're going to think there is a problem. And that's I think why we're seeing this huge number of young non binary and transgender identified females. They're rejecting the constrictions of being female, but they should be encouraged to believe that's possible without these extreme interventions.

Equally only the truly transphobic would deny treatment to everyone.

Or alternatively people concerned about the welfare of children. No one here is denying it to adults.

sure, ignore this again. Trans children - even those who do not desist - can transition as adults if they wish. Giving them a drug that fucks with their pituitary gland and causes IRREVERSIBLE damage is not essential, but that’s what they’re being told all over the Internet. They’re being told that their lives will be unbearable if they don’t - I’ve seen it happen.

This. I've put it in bold in the hope that it will be addressed.

Equally only the truly transphobic would deny treatment to everyone.

Who is denying treatment to everyone? I said earlier in the thread: what you do with your body, as an adult, is up to you. But don't medicate healthy children.

Thanks Eresh - it’s like banging my head against a brick wall. It’s not essential, trans people have existed and transitioned long before it was thought of to give gnrh analogues to children.

It sickens me that the idea that they’ll pass easier is given more importance than the physical effects of these drugs. They’re told passing = happiness, but that happiness comes with a few trivial inconveniences (you know, like sterility, asexuality, pituitary disorders, thyroid disorders, chronic fatigue, inability to work, inability to maintain relationships, chronic pain, depression, suicidality).

But hey, you’ll pass!

And if they don't fit in neatly to whatever stereotypes they perceive as representing their sex, they're going to think there is a problem. And that's I think why we're seeing this huge number of young non binary and transgender identified females.

Where were all the transgender children 30, 40 or 50 years ago?

"Who is denying treatment to everyone? I said earlier in the thread: what you do with your body, as an adult, is up to you. But don't medicate healthy children"

There are a lot of people on this thread who seem to think that children are less deserving of the medical treatment - as determined by doctors - than adults. That's chillingly awful

I know it was at the beginning but I just wanted to pick up on a point about harvesting sperm and ova.

Even if it were possible in a pre-pubescent child of either sex (which it isn’t), the extraction of the relative gametes differs wildly in its safety and efficacy.

Whilst the risks of sperm harvesting are, well, pretty much zero (save for perhaps a touch of carpal tunnel syndrome for the over vigorous harvester) because they are meant to leave the body, Ova are not and the risks of attempting to retrieve them include death and that’s not even going into the invasive nature of the procedure. To blithely throw out “well you can just harvest them, so what’s the problem” type statements is both deeply ignorant and almost always routed in a mysogynostic. And the idea of doing unnesasary and invasive gynecological procedures on children and young teens... I can’t even begin to articulate how seriously fucked up I find that.