What if we fail?

[Terfulike]

I find myself worrying about where we will be 2, 5, 10, 20 years from now if we fail to stop the tide that, just now, with the GRA reforms, threatens to redefine the meaning of the word woman, erase lesbians and damage a generation of children.

I'm not saying we should give up: anything but. In fact, I think it might be an important motivating factor to consider what else might happen if our MPs continue to enshrine lies into laws.

What will come next?

I've got a copy of my dads at home from 1956. I will check when I get in.

Going out though so won't be until about midnight!

Rebel/ToptoToe
I must say that the evidence is there that girl/boy was written on birth certs in UK. Mine does (1964).My kids: male/female (1997--)
It does us no favours to deny truth backed by evidence you know! Id hoped people on here respected that.

@Terfulike I'm talking that at the moment or at least recent birth certificates state male/female.
I don't know when they changed or why.

I'm not denying boy/girl existed. I've seen the pictures,but they weren't recent.

Sorry if it sounded that way.

Well we may have established a ballpark guess at Wakames age...

But... seeing as the GRA (ability to change sex on your birth certificate) didn't come in until 2004... would it really have changed boy to girl? Or boy to female in line with 2004 wording on birth certs? This is strangely quite interesting.

I didn't deny anything, thank you for that Terfulike.

I was interested, checked my own children's, and posted on here.

As you were.

Whack a mole is a grumpy old man.

You can google birth certificates - If it says boy/girl or male/female seems to depend on the Registar. Some of the short ones have only a name.

My mother's was the short one, and did not even have a name on it. Just 'Female child', the Male and Female were printed and one crossed out.

My apologies Rebel, it just seemed like you were all giving the other poster a deliberately hard time.

Top to Toe
Do you mean "As you were" as in you think I needed to check my family's birth certs (which I didn't as I already knew) or "As you were" like senior police officers do on programmes like "Line of Duty"?

In any case

This is strangely quite interesting

It is!

Hmm. My kids say male and female (born in last few years). Mine says female (born 1987). My mother in laws says female (born 1955). My father in laws says 'sex' but is blank (born 1950 but not in UK) My fathers says male (born 1960). I don't have my mothers.

But... seeing as the GRA (ability to change sex on your birth certificate) didn't come in until 2004... would it really have changed boy to girl? Or boy to female in line with 2004 wording on birth certs? This is strangely quite interesting.

Yes, really quite interesting.

Checked mine and dh's birth certificates, and just like my children's they say Sex: male and Sex: female. dh and I are nearly 50 so I'd argue they have been like that for some time. When language was still meaningful a certificate that said sex: girl meant exactly the same thing as sex: female of course.

From birth certificates I have access to here, I can see one from 1961 which has Sex as Girl and one from 1978 which has Sex as Male. So the change was some time between those two years.

"But... seeing as the GRA (ability to change sex on your birth certificate) didn't come in until 2004... would it really have changed boy to girl? Or boy to female in line with 2004 wording on birth certs? This is strangely quite interesting."

If they didn't use the same format as the original, it might rather give away that the person is trans, which kind of defeats the object of the reissued certificate, don't you think?

It's still fake news wackamole

OK "birth certificate" is an inaccurate colloquialism for a certified copy of an entry on a register of births. The original registers are (mostly) held in local registry offices. I suspect some registrars used boy/girl and others male/female. If people get certified copies from their local office, I suspect some say boy or girl.

The General Registry Office hold copies of the registers and can also provide certified copies. The process is standardised and I suspect only male/female is used. These days, it is computerised so definitely standardised.

The original record is still kept. So legally forever a male female.
Biologically male forever, male at conception, male at birth, male always.
Even "living as a woman" as per the GRA, as only males can "live as a woman". Still male.

Gibbert: why is a rape crisis centre 'odious'?

www.familytreeresources.co.uk/birth-certificate.html

It says here that it changed to male/female in 1969.

From looking at images on the internet, it would appear that before that it was either male/female or boy/girl according to local registrar. My mother's certificate of stillbirth or birth said female child and was 1939 - these seem to have been issued as the short cheap version from 1927 when stillbirths started to be registered until about 1940 and were on flimsy paper - I saw it described as like a receipt on a family tree website.

My mother was always somewhat ashamed of her birth certificate, but really it is more interesting and unusual. We told her she could probably buy a full one if she wanted........... she never needed it anyway.

Being a woman in 2000 isn't the same as it was in 1950 –if being a woman is the same in 2050 as it was in 2000 then something has gone badly wrong.

It will won't include men!

It still means being of the sex that gestates. Sex binary is the reason the human race will be here in 2050.

Frankley I don't see the problem with having been described as a girl.

Let me try again this general way. One actually does not 'pass' at all, if one cannot even 'pass' on a text-based forum, using only the words.

Male socialisation makes it rather obvious that "I've always been a girl" is a lie.

I thought they'd always been seaweed?