What if we fail?

[Terfulike]

I find myself worrying about where we will be 2, 5, 10, 20 years from now if we fail to stop the tide that, just now, with the GRA reforms, threatens to redefine the meaning of the word woman, erase lesbians and damage a generation of children.

I'm not saying we should give up: anything but. In fact, I think it might be an important motivating factor to consider what else might happen if our MPs continue to enshrine lies into laws.

What will come next?

That's a damn good question. Why are middle aged men transitioning but staying intact, yet they want youngsters under the knife.

Creating a subservient pipeline.

Do I need to spell it out?

I suppose I do.

Only one pair of breasts and one penis needed, plus an acquiescent body to step out with.

And everyone will ignore us because we're irrelevant old crones.

We are not.

Well we know that.

But the rest of the world won't.

The identity bollocks will fall away eventually because it's a smokescreen and those who are pushing the agenda don't really give a shiny shit about people who are struggling with body dysmorphia and mental health issues.

The roll-back's on female rights will remain though as will the changes regarding children and parental consent over what happens to their bodies and general safeguarding - If I had to place money on what this agenda is really about, it would be this.

I do strongly get the feeling that rowing back on women's rights is in part, the major part of this. You only have to see the horrible rise in out and out misogyny to understand that.

I have the niggling suspicion that if the changes to the GRA go through, then the NHS will stop funding treatment. Theresa May has already stated that being trans isn't an illness. ( www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-transgender-not-illness-gender-recognition-act-lgbt-rights-sex-edution-homophobia-pink-a8008486.html )

If you can change sex legally, why do you need SRS, or hormones or any other kind of medical treatment?

Honestly? I think the next thing would be trans age activists telling us we're all so bigoted because we dont want our children at nursery with trans age men.
Then the back lash.

But we will win because we have to will no one think of the children & the rest of the country is starting to wake up & mostly look like

I've seen all-out attacks on feminists from two directions recently. One is from the 'manosphere', MRAs, MGTOWs, incels, PUAs etc. The other is from transactivism. Although the manospherians certainly hated feminists, it was unusual to see anything like the level of violent rhetoric being directed at 'terfs'.

There will officially be 0.6% more women in the world

I suppose there will be. At some point. Due to general population growth.

It won't be because men can change into women, because humans can't change sex.

I can't help but think that actually they won't be happy even if they do win.

They are already telling trans people they are being trans wrong and making up ever more ridiculous states if existence that completely contradict another identity.

I think they will win however I do think that in their desperation to take over everything, when they finally "become" something that ceases to exist they will have to find something else. Another cause because they can't be who they say they are unless it's something that physically exists.. Eventually it will be impossible to keep them happy and even the allies will have enough.

The underground is already beginning.

Women. We are already changing the conversation. It has changed on here enormously in the last six months.

It is changing. Its not really about winning though is it, it's about sanity prevailing.

Anyone who's lurking here, still on the fence, trying hard to be a 'trans ally' but feeling conflicted.

As others have pointed out up the thread, WAKAME's post gives the game away.

WAKAME, regardless of their posting about studies, trans issues, etc, is not particularly bothered about females who feel they are trans and want to become males.

When the question is asked 'what if we fail', WAKAME focuses on how many more 'women' there will be. Where are all those females (teen girls) who are identifying as males in that post?

See it? The people pushing this agenda, pushing into your space, are not concerned about females, whatever type of females.

They are not concerned about 'trans' as a whole. They are people (men) who want your space, your identity, your name. Your % in the world.

Picasso you are right, and MN kept the fires burning.

@pombear very astute to notice.

"WAKAME, regardless of their posting about studies, trans issues, etc, is not particularly bothered about females who feel they are trans and want to become males.

When the question is asked 'what if we fail', WAKAME focuses on how many more 'women' there will be. Where are all those females (teen girls) who are identifying as males in that post?

See it? The people pushing this agenda, pushing into your space, are not concerned about females, whatever type of females."

We will not fail, the tide is turning. A lot more 'ordinary people' (I mean people who have not been reading this stuff for years) are beginning to see what is going on.

We need to be talking about all the young women and girls caught up in this, it is not just about natal males.

4thwavenow.com/2016/04/27/shrinking-to-survive-a-former-trans-man-reports-on-life-inside-queer-youth-culture/

Well, as pessimistic as I am, particularly as pretty much every uni student buys into this shit, I think we have a bigger breathing space than previously thanks in no small part to fearless journalists, fantastic feminist groups and brave MPs.

Agree with this.... I think some things have been lost and I hope only temporarily and are enough to cause a big backlash (sport, so many Rapid onset girls, Girl Guides)....I truly believe in our power to succeed by bringing these issues to the wider public (yup peak-transing so many), and away from the tiny hothouse of the Labour party and "right-on" organisations... There is a tipping-point: we are not there yet and need to reach far more people but already we have made huge strides in the last couple of months...

I think of this a bit like the way people's concerns about immigration were treated. People who worried about EU immigration in the 2000s were written off by politicians as racists etc. But eventually, when no one listened to them, they took their concerns to the ballot box and brexit happened.

In this case, concerns about gender legislation are being written off as transphobic etc. But that doesn't make the concerns go away.

Gay Terf Boy @Who is cis
Is supporting lesbians so at least there is some shred of support Materialist.

When feeling optimistic, I think there is going to be massive back-pedalling from certain quarters, that of course they didn’t support this and were on the side of sanity all along. Not sure how this will play out in the age of the screenshot. I think kindness, but firm honesty are the way to go, and not letting anyone rewrite history.

When pessimistic, like today, I envisage a future where daily life goes on much as it does now, but to borrow a woke phrase, with far more microaggressions felt by women. We no longer see females in sport or public life, but on paper we’ve achieved absolute equality. We’ll be expected to applaud as the stunning and brave and stubbly take everything from us.

To TRAs stalking this thread on Twitter and making snide comments: this is the'Manosphere' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere See also:

www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2016/07/05/what-is-the-manosphere

www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men

www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/magazine/hunting-the-manosphere.html

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/manospherian

Terfy like: also throwaway gay
@throwawaygay? Not sure