Where do we draw the trans line....?

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Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

Omg no way do they wear used tampons and pads ?? Why oh why ? That has turned my stomach ! Creepy as fck

Do not google it, I warn you. You do not want to know.

R0wantrees Do you have a database of all this stuff or just an excellent memory (I'm imagining a mind palace of some sort).

I've got a Times subscription & a collection of open-access links to their gender-critical articles. If anybody ever needs one, PM me.

Sarahconnor1 Neither I'm afraid & those who know me will find both suggestions amusing

Now I'm a bit disappointed. Don't get me wrong your ability to reference articles, threads etc is brilliant but I was hoping for a mind palace or at least index cards.

TBH it feels like writing an undergraduate English literature essay. I did a lot of these a few years ago. I used to have a pile of books and papers on the floor in those days. Only difference is that with the internet, the floor is clear!

The Babelfish method of referencing is half remembered read stuff augmented by google and an arc of papers on the floor around where I’m sitting...

Clearly I need to up my game, tips gratefully received rowan you are a veritable mine of info! :)

I'm not sure if its a specific mindset with Eng Lit, but when I read, I 'm doing so to understand things that may be relevent better rather than to prove a point of view. May have a think about that!

& of course the idea of burning books (or the modern equivalent) is a big issue.

Did anybody else read Fahrenheit 451 at school?

Not at school, but I’m a huge fan of the golden age sci fi stuff in general, so have loads of Bradbury’s stuff.

It’s a frightening book. Lots of work from that time and on had a similar rather dystopian view of how technology might affect society. The lack of slow critical thought, deep understanding etc is worrying to me. I suppose we were the last generation who grew up without technology.

I recommend Lord of the Flies... I had forgotten about it until recently.
(Wiki)
*At an allegorical level, the central theme is the conflicting human impulses toward civilisation and social organisation—living by rules, peacefully and in harmony—and toward the will to power. Themes include the tension between groupthink and individuality, between rational and emotional reactions, and between morality and immorality. How these play out, and how different people feel the influences of these form a major subtext of Lord of the Flies"