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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Where do we draw the trans line....?

712 replies

loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

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Ereshkigal · 04/06/2018 17:59

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate some of the things you've said on this thread, Truscum.

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 18:11

Cooking dinner and still chuckling at some of the things on this thread. It is fair to say, Truscum you and MY are the only two TIM's I have any respect for and I do read and digest your words. Thank you!

SirVixofVixHall · 04/06/2018 18:20

Made me laugh out loud too.
And echo the Flowers for trus.

Kettlepotblackagain · 04/06/2018 18:46

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Bowlofbabelfish · 04/06/2018 18:49

truscum you remain a voice of sense and reason. Flowers I’m sure there are many other transitioned/transitioning transwomen like you, just getting on with life, and I don’t envy the flak you must take from the TRA crowd.

Truscum · 04/06/2018 21:16

Aw thanks GrinFlowers

I don’t envy the flak you must take from the TRA crowd

They try their best, though funnily enough they seem to prefer harassing women.

Newspeak · 04/06/2018 21:56

This is a public service announcement the ministry of truth has decreed that anything TIMs say is truth and must be taken as fact. Any deviation from this narrative will be dealt with as hate crime.

Welcome to Oceania
WinkWink

Ereshkigal · 04/06/2018 21:57

Have we always been at war with Eastasia?

Newspeak · 04/06/2018 22:01

If you do not immediately desist @Ereshkigal you will be sent to room 101 might even call the thought police
Grin

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 22:16

If she is arrested by the thought police, we'll send her a MN card from Funky pigeon. Halo

CrunchieFriday · 04/06/2018 22:41

Could anyone enlighten me as to what TIM means, please? I've googled and bing-ed but cannot find an explanation.

Although, on the plus side, I now know that Tim is a biblical name, but I got bored of reading about Telecom Italia Mobile/Time is Money/Thermal Interface Material/ Traffic Incident Management etc etc etc on an acronym finder website.

Even the urban dictionary version of Tim is no help and certainly doesn't appear to be an insult on a par with the n-word.

WTF does it mean?!

On another note, I wore navy blue knickers in a northern school, too Grin

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 22:43

Trans Identified Male. = Transwoman = Man.

CrunchieFriday · 04/06/2018 22:46

Ahhhhhh. Thank you.

DarthArts · 04/06/2018 23:06

How many fingers am I holding up to TRA's?

✌️

You wish.....

It's easy to become sane....

🖕

DodoPatrol · 04/06/2018 23:16

Signing in as another alumna of the Navy Northern Knickers team here!

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 23:20

I wonder why it's only us Northern girls that had to wear navy knickers? I call that discrimination.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 04/06/2018 23:26

Are you really northern or just English? Wink
Navy knickers in Scotland too Grin

LangCleg · 04/06/2018 23:27

I didn't have to wear navy knickers. But we were forced into purple netball skirts. Ugh.

ibaker23 · 04/06/2018 23:29

Bowlofbabelfish

A Male remains a Male

janice is talking about how they are treated by others like in a restaurant.
"would you like anything to drink ma'am"

VaggieMight · 04/06/2018 23:30

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CrunchieFriday · 04/06/2018 23:31

"Just" English here. Grin I have enjoyed countless holidays in Scotland, but nope, I'm a Southerner in comparison!

spontaneousgiventime · 04/06/2018 23:35

NE England here. I love Scotland and it's only a netball throw away really. I still call out discrimination on navy knickers Grin

Waddlelikeapenguin · 04/06/2018 23:43

Grin sorry just teasing all Grin the northern thing is rather relative but yes the bloody navy knickers are definitely discrimination.
Down with that sort of thing Wink

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 05/06/2018 00:30

Only up to

TerfsUp Mon 04-Jun-18 11:09:09

And hopefully J4 came back, I haven;t had such a laugh at a thread in a while Grin This is a pretty pointless post, except to say that I was also made to do netball, in a cold dingy northern school. Which was not fun. I was also 'encouraged' to take cooking rather than woodwork for my GCSEs. Because what bitch in their right mind would not want to learn to cook for her future husband rather than have fun fannying about with wood and fun stuff?! The damn nerve of me.

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 05/06/2018 01:58

J4nice - Before this I stood up for woman but I can't bring myself to do that anymore given how hostile, abusive and nasty they are, especially when they don't get their own way

Surely you mean "how hostile, abusive and nasty we are" - not they , what with you being a woman and all?

Oh and btw the plural of woman is women - you might want to familiarise yourself with that, it's kind of handy to be able to talk about yourself and your 'gal pals' in the plural with the correct word.