Where do we draw the trans line....?

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Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

Can I just pop this link in here, it's really good. I really like Rose of Dawn. Just someone mentioned transexuals they like. Rose is fab.

Don't be put of by the picture fo Riley J Denis, it's not about RJD!

Oh and navy knickers here too - in the Midlands - with one of those pleated skirts on top with the slidey fastening - genius! wish my trousers had one of those on for after a big lunch

@MyRelationshipIsWeird

Careful....you're potentially misgrammaring now.

I'm sure J4 can find and international legal precedent about that

*an not and...

Just RTWT and I've been in fits. I went to a girl's school where it was cooking or Latin. So I've got a Latin O level, though my mum still claims half of it's hers. And it was navy knickers for everything except for hockey (divided grey skirts).

Yes, MyRelationship, I clocked the "how nasty they are" reference too.

J4nice found herself in a room full of samurai armed only with a potato peeler.

Was holding it the wrong way round, too, the poor thing.

My school had us wear the navy knickers under little pleated skirts. I got told off for wearing trackie bottoms underneath because it was cold a lot!

Yes! Cover your sinful knickers girls, but also wear these ridiculous buttock length skirts! No! You may not wear tracksuit bottoms- we need to have your legs on show.

I do look back on some of the stuff we had to do at school with these days. Hit with rulers too.

in a room full of samurai armed only with a potato peeler.

Possibly the best description of MN I’ve ever seen

Latin O level here too - Caecilius est in horto...

Didn't even care that people could see my blue-clad bum, honestly, I was just worried about losing a leg to frostbite!

In what climate are both a wooly jumper and a skirt that barely covers your arse a perfect combination for playing hockey in?

Oh & the smell of woolly jumpers put away wet - games kit stayed in school for a whole term

J4nice found herself in a room full of samurai armed only with a potato peeler.

Was holding it the wrong way round, too, the poor thing

I wonder if J4nice will screenshot these comments to show J4nice’s buddies what a bunch of meanies we women are too. Women are bitches! Sorry J4nice, that’s a hate crime isn’t it.

Hit with rulers, BowlofBabelFish? You were lucky - we had board rubbers (the wood-and-felt sort) chucked across the room. At least it improved our reflexes where frostbitten netball lessons failed.

...a woolly jumper, a bumfreezer skirt AND... a lack of glasses, as our games teacher believed in Health and Safety, and felt this was the best way to avoid breakages.

Meant you couldn't see the ball all lesson, though in my case that didn't make much functional difference to my game.

We didn’t have navy knickers but royal blue gym shorts under a royal blue netball skirt. All you navy knicker wearers are non navy knicker wearer exclusionary feminists (or NNKWEF if you prefer) and therefore committed literal violence against me. I am going to report you to the —games teacher— Police for that.

Argh strike through fail. I can never get that right!

Xcountry running round the streets past the boy's school in tiny games skirts (& barely covered navy pants) but school skirts couldnt be more than a hand width above your knee

Ah, but I didn't identify as a navy knicker wearer at the time. My navy knicker identity was cruelly forced on me by the mores of society.

I remember when the slider on the skirt didn't go small enough. I had to add a popper. I want my waist back!

We were allowed trackies bottoms under skirts in winter. But still had to have the knicker shorts as well - they would be checked periodically.

J4nice found herself in a room full of samurai armed only with a potato peeler.

The actual scenario was even worse - J4nice was armed with only h** wits. A potato peeler held the wrong way round would have been more use.

Latin o level here too. Along with the maroon bags as our sturdy outer knickers were called.

Terfsup..

Only the team were allowed tracksuits in my school. The team were all hearty types who ran around and did not need a tracksuit. Weedy, not sporty, types like me needed tracksuits, instead we froze on the sidelines, fielding in the snow in our tiny games skirts. My knees would turn blue.