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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Where do we draw the trans line....?

712 replies

loveyouradvice · 02/06/2018 16:07

Really interesting reading all the Daily Mail comments on latest Man Friday article.... most seemed quite happy with the idea of transsexuals using women's facilities, but no transwomen with dangly bits.

This used to be my position - and may still be so... but I am really concerned the more I read about certain transsexuals (the previously macho late-transitioning type).... those with rampant AGP which leads them to fetishise women's bodies and being in women's spaces in a very mansplainy way.... I feel very squeamish about sharing space with them.... and was deeply shocked by learning that some comb bins for used tampons and pads and wear them to "feel more like a woman" and then celebrate and share this online with other fetishists.....

My suspicion is that for the sake of what one might see as the transsexuals we have long shared space with, out of courtesy and respect, that yes it is okay for them to be in some women's spaces .... But my concern is that with TRAs being so active and the transgender movement steamrollering ahead, that more of the aggressive AGP type are going to feel liberated to come out of the closet and into our spaces....and the balance will shift

I know this is just academic - given that focussing on No Self-Id is our priority - but would be very interested in hearing what other's think as I try to clarify my own position

OP posts:
Dinosauratemydaffodils · 05/06/2018 13:07

Xcountry running round the streets past the boy's school in tiny games skirt

I can go one worse than that. Royal blue gym knickers with a massive white strip down either side whilst at High School on a military base abroad with soldiers patrolling the sports fields commenting on your legs and everything else. T-shirts had to be tucked tightly into said gym knickers. Puberty was hell and any complaints were dismissed as "life lessons" by both the school and the army (whose base it was).

J4nice · 05/06/2018 13:16

You are a group of trolling troll hunters who attempt to derail threads because you can't debate but instead you insult

It's quiet sad that you had to crash a men's only pool and claim you where male, the kind of stuff feminists are against

I've decided to come to the Hastings gathering in June to protest peacefully outside with a large group of woman since Hastings is my home town it will be nice to go back there

UpstartCrow · 05/06/2018 13:22

Interesting how many people are prepared to put more work into protesting women's rights than creating their own.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/06/2018 13:23

Yeah! That's us quiet and sad Grin

And we know you know that's not what Man Friday is all about... you just think someone will get offended... but we will just keep sniggling.

A sheet of glass - that's you that is!

[Worried that reference might age me Smile ]

J4nice · 05/06/2018 13:24

@UpstartCrow it is because you would think feminists I stress of protesting at a pool and claiming they are male and tying up police resources and just looking silly that they would have put their energy in to far less ironic things

J4nice · 05/06/2018 13:25

Like washing dishes and taking the kids to the park

KittiesInsane · 05/06/2018 13:26

Oh come on Janice, you can do better than that. It's Eng Lang GCSE today, so let's have some proper SpAG and a decent amount of imagination.

KittiesInsane · 05/06/2018 13:27

Fun as it must be to be a sexist twerp, there are better ways to spend a day.
Still, enjoy the park if that's where you're heading. Hope the weather stays nice for you.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 13:38

Ladies, are you currently doing ladies things? If not why not? Have you baked recently? Is there not laundry to do?

TerfsUp · 05/06/2018 13:44

I'm busy trimming my lady garden so when my manly husband comes home he will find me fresh and fragrant.

KittiesInsane · 05/06/2018 13:46

I'm editing quantum physics papers, Angry*. Not sure how womanny or feministy that is, but the author is female as far as I can tell - does that count?

*(well, currently I'm drinking coffee and browsing MN, but that's because I've just been out to pick up DD and listen to GCSE woes)

JuzzaL · 05/06/2018 13:52

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 13:55

My dishes are done and kids all grown up. What womanly thing can I find to do?

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 13:58

Mumsnet described as quiet? First time for everything I suppose.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 05/06/2018 14:25

Like washing dishes and taking the kids to the park

Ahh come on, this has got to be a parody account or something. own up, who decided to troll us?

UpstartCrow · 05/06/2018 14:26

spontaneousgiventime Why are you not sewing for the poor of the parish by the light of a candle stub?

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 14:29

UpstartCrow Hmm that's a good point. Maybe I need to iron the sheets or polish himself's boots ready for the mine tomorrow. Then head off to decapitate a chicken for dinner. Nah.... Stuff it, I'll MN Instead Grin

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 14:32

Isn't decapitating chickens a little unladylike? Surely one has a man around to take care of such unpleasant things.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 14:33

AngryAttackKittens are the men not supposed to off doing, well, manly things (whatever they may be).

AngryAttackKittens · 05/06/2018 14:36

Ah, there's the problem, Janice neglected to tell us what manly things the men should be doing.

spontaneousgiventime · 05/06/2018 14:38

J4nice Omits to tell us anything of substance to be fair.

R0wantrees · 05/06/2018 14:45

It's quiet sad that you had to crash a men's only pool and claim you where male, the kind of stuff feminists are against

This was done by #ManFriday women.
Hannah Clark's speech about its formation and purpose:
manfridayuk.org/2018/05/18/why-manfriday/

I've decided to come to the Hastings gathering in June to protest peacefully outside

This is a WPUK meeting
Link to their website: womansplaceuk.org

Kettlepotblackagain · 05/06/2018 16:49

Been following this thread..but new to the discussion (aside from a previous post that I asked to be deleted because I wrote in haste and anger after being so distressed at J4s posts...)

J4nice - interested to know. Would you be happy for a 'third space' or do you particularly want to use women's spaces?

LangCleg · 05/06/2018 16:59

Ladies, are you currently doing ladies things? If not why not? Have you baked recently? Is there not laundry to do?

Me, me, me! I emptied the dishwasher!

I'm now feeling faint and having a little lie down on the sofa with my bottle of sal volatile.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/06/2018 17:10

Ah! I wondered where my sal volatile had gone!

Last used when cleaning below the waterline of the loo!

I will need it again in the morning. Be a dear, *langCleg, and pop it back!