No True Transwoman - transadvocates question whether TW is 'genuine' after said TW sexually harasses women in homeless shelter

[CaitlynsCat]

abc30.com/3514544/

'It says the shelter requires them to shower in groups, and it opened its doors to a person who identified themself as a transgender woman who made lewd and sexually inappropriate comments, and leered at them while they were naked.

"This is the biggest fear they bring up, that you're going to have people who may not even be transgender in bathrooms and settings where people are naked and their privacy rights are being violated," said Peter Kapetan, who filed the lawsuit on behalf of the women.

Poverello House administrators tell Action News federal law says they have to treat a person identifying as a woman as a woman -- and there's no way to test whether it's true.'

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The women say they repeatedly complained to staff members, but were told if they didn't respect the person's decision to identify as a woman, and if they refused to take showers at the same time, they'd get kicked out of the shelter.
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'Karen Adell Scot, a local transgender advocate, even offered to train Naomi's House employees on how to recognize people just pretending to identify as the opposite gender.'

Also sex is not a sliding scale. It's not like "this tea is strong enough for me to drink it rather than discretely pouring it down the sink" or "the weather is warm enough for sandals".

I prefer this beagle

So if a trans woman is someone who identifies as a woman - then how could there be a 'false' one?

SMG: you are not in a position to ask people to define sex

Yep. To be able to define something, must understand what it is.

Goady = proving SMG wrong

Poor SMG. But SMG gets the chance to mansplain it all, so there is that.

Or female enough for most people - you know away from this internet bubble - to consider them female. Or a woman.

Dream on, dear.

SMG doesn't actually believe this, surely? Just thinks if they say it often enough they might be able to persuade people to stop saying it ain't so.

Just saying.

Up thread SMG said the if we all just would use the legal words it would be so much easier for him.

So here are the legal words.

Legally the word female now applies to males and females. So there are females and male females.
I'm female.
You are a male. You are a legal male female.

I love that, babieseverywhere!

I took the picture of the hounds to be a pack of self-identified foxes who are angry at the reaction of the fox when they go into the fox's space.

Thanks Terfsup. :)

Gosh what have I done to deserve such abuse? I had thought the banter was fairly good humoured but I can see that some of you actually do want to get rid of me from this board.

Something particularly annoyed you yesterday, I'm wondering what it is.

Speaking for myself SuppermatchGame, I posted a significant article written by a schoolgirl eloquently describing how the school board imposed rules impacted her:

USA
Opinion piece by one of the female students with background including their recent failed legal challenge & hopes for future:
"I don’t have a problem sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as transgender — provided they are the same sex I am. I do have trouble with a policy that says anyone who’s in an opposite-sex mood today can stroll in and observe me in my intimate moments — and with school officials who value the feelings of a few students more than the dignity and privacy of all those in their care.

It’s my hope that the judges who may hear our case going forward will understand that better than our school administrators have — and take more seriously their responsibility to protect girls’privacy where it should be most protected: in the girls’ room."
www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/boyertown-transgender-bathroom-lgbtq-gender-identiy-philadelphia-suburbs-20180524.html

You replied quoting a line from the article (without reference),
"How is she defining sex?"

A schoolgirl called Alexis Lightcap.

Perhaps read the article? She deserves to be heard.

Alexis explains:
"I was a junior in high school when I ducked into the girls’ room at school one day to find … a boy. I froze. Three years at this particular school, and that had never happened to me before. The girls’ bathroom had always been the girls’ getaway place — a place for privacy, mostly, but also a little refuge — a place to get away from boys, maybe talk about boys, but not meet boys.

My first thought was to get out. My second was to find my teacher and let her know what had happened. The teacher told me to tell the principal, so I did. And the principal did nothing."

SMG so glad you were able in the end to accept that trans'women' are male. Very gracious if you to come back under the circs. We won't gloat.

Rowan that girl is soooo brave. Imagine it. And we have grown men and women, politicians, afraid to speak up for her.

Thanks for your response R0wantrees.

I asked how sex was being defined to understand what she meant by I don’t have a problem sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as transgender — provided they are the same sex I am.

I wondered if she meant trans men or trans women here. I genuinely wasn't sure.

However, I accept your point. If I read it I would perhaps find out. I did intend, and still do intend to read the article.

She and the other students are also having to show a great deal of tenacity. The appeal at Federal court failed. The judge ruled that their lawyers could not define 'sex' or 'opposite sex'. I guess it now may go up to Supreme court? Not sure how US judicial system works exactly.

I think if you chatted to Truscum about this you see a different perspective being shared, which is a great relief to females dealing with male females who are insisting on female.

No-one here can be accused of bullying Truscum.

So the US Supreme Court can't define sex?

Shall I pop a note through? REPRODUCTIVE ROLE

SupermatchGame If you read what's being said, I genuinely believe that you will see concerns about women and children. In this thread concerns have ben raised about school girls, women in homeless hostels, the charities that run them, vulnerable women in prison, a woman murdered and the workers who support them feeling unable to speak of their concerns.
This isn't about being 'anti-trans'. There are (perhaps unintended) consequences of policies and legislation designed to support people who are transgender.
We need to be able to talk about this.

The accusations of bullying and abuse our way always vary in line with Truscsm's view on self acceptance. None = massive accusations. High acceptance - happy and nice to be around.

Jaycee too explained that surgical transition included counselling and agreement that Jaycee was never really going to be female.

Nat Luc - knows the truth - nice to talk to.

J4nice - well J4 nasty TBH.

Wakame - playing whac-a-mole at the moment, so unlikely.

No-one here can be accused of bullying Truscum

I have a great deal of respect for Truscum and would go after anyone who tried bullying her.

Pratchet
My understanding is that the federal court may need the US Supreme Court to rule?

So the US Supreme Court can't define sex?

My reading of the article was that the courts did not allow the lawyers to define 'sex' or 'opposite sex'. But I could be wrong.