No True Transwoman - transadvocates question whether TW is 'genuine' after said TW sexually harasses women in homeless shelter

[CaitlynsCat]

abc30.com/3514544/

'It says the shelter requires them to shower in groups, and it opened its doors to a person who identified themself as a transgender woman who made lewd and sexually inappropriate comments, and leered at them while they were naked.

"This is the biggest fear they bring up, that you're going to have people who may not even be transgender in bathrooms and settings where people are naked and their privacy rights are being violated," said Peter Kapetan, who filed the lawsuit on behalf of the women.

Poverello House administrators tell Action News federal law says they have to treat a person identifying as a woman as a woman -- and there's no way to test whether it's true.'

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The women say they repeatedly complained to staff members, but were told if they didn't respect the person's decision to identify as a woman, and if they refused to take showers at the same time, they'd get kicked out of the shelter.
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'Karen Adell Scot, a local transgender advocate, even offered to train Naomi's House employees on how to recognize people just pretending to identify as the opposite gender.'

It's like the end of humanity this forum. Fecking depressing.

The end of humanity is people tiptoeing around peoples feeling while women get assaulted.

What is depressing is that people can no longer say that someone with a penis is a man.

Marvellous Simon. Problem solved. Sorted.

Simon you're a genius. Now all you have to do is sort out the rest of the world and we're all happy.

I can see Trump is gonna have a rival for that Nobel Peace prize.

Do they award a prize for being a patronising twat?

Yes they do. You beat me into second place. Congrats.

I think its important to not forget LaSqrrl''s post:

"I have permission to share this story from a private FB group. I have removed the names - although I did verify this as a true story by finding him on some US prisoner look-up site (there were enough other details to work with). I can ask more questions (like, I assume this was some kind of supported accommodation). This is a quote btw, and pronouns as per the original.

I want to share more details about my homeless client who was murdered in November 2015. Her name was D-- and she was in her early 60's. She befriended an idividual in shelter in his 40's, who is a man named "C" that identifies as a woman. He had no surgical interventions and there was nothing 'feminine' about him. My job entails helping women in shelter find housing, then visiting them at least once a month until they are on their feet. D and C were neighbors and developed a close friendship. In fact, he was present when I went over safety planning with her. Having worked with the homeless population since 2005, there is little that phases me. However, C was overly vulgar, crude, vile, and just downright disgusting, as he enjoyed talking about graphic sex acts he likes to do to other men. I happened to be working one Sunday when I suddenly thought about D and called her. She did not answer and I considered going to her apartment, but decided not to. I found out the next day that she was BRUTALLY murdered by C about 45 minutes after I called her. I am told he stabbed her at least 7 times and slit her throat. Neighbors reported hearing her screaming and as she was dying, C stole her keys, locked the door, and went back to his apartment like nothing happened. There was no mention of any of it in the media and everything was swept under the rug...like she did not matter. Attaching his mugshot. Yes, he is serving a long sentence, but D-- is still dead and maybe she wouldn't be if a man had not been allowed into a woman's shelter.

So it can be a lot more than pervy behaviour, even more than sexual assault. These are the safeguards we are fighting to protect. So you pro-self-IDers can go shove it. Shower curtains stop nothing."

It is staggering that saying that someone with a penis is male has become a controversial view.
And while we are all being ‘trained’ to believe that black is white women are going to continue to be assaulted.

& so to repost an important comment:
(from WPUK)
"I’m writing as a feminist who has devoted over two decades of my life to ending violence against women (VAW). I’ve worked in frontline services in both domestic abuse and sexual violence services across the country and now I head up a VAW sector charity.

I love my job, I am so lucky. It often surprises people when I say this, as they expect this type of work to be depressing, but that’s not how I look at services like ours at all.

The VAW sector supports women as they try to move away from abusive and violent perpetrators, working with survivors to break the silence that abusive perpetrators impose on them. There is nothing to compare to the moments when these women get their voices back and break free – and that’s why I love my job.

Unfortunately, in recent months the changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the incredibly toxic debate around the issue of ‘gender self ID’ has left many more women under a heavy veil of silence, particularly for those of us who work in the VAW sector. The dark, uncomfortable irony of this silence is not lost on me, nor is it lost on the many women in the sector I have recently spoken to about this issue.

As someone who has worked with many survivors of violence over the last two decades, I am terrified – both professionally and personally – about the impact of self ID on ensuring safe spaces are available to women who have experienced and are escaping male violence. Even without the legal changes to the GRA, gender inclusive policies are already happening in many areas, these changes are ahead of the law and already upon us. Moreover they do not appear to be slowing down... continues

womansplaceuk.org/the-silencing-of-feminists-silences-survivors/

Perhaps you could reassure the prison governor quoted in the Daily Mail

R0wantrees I would hope I wouldn't have to. Because I would expect that an experienced prison governor would be capable implementing risk assessments, applying the law appropriately, ensuring the safety of his/ her prisoners and generally be doing their job properly.

Or could also be called "gate keeping", that thing that TRAs want to do away with, when it involves a medical professional suggesting that transition is not going to be helpful to an individual hmm

An excellent point, excellently put! 🍺

I would hope I wouldn't have to. Because I would expect that an experienced prison governor would be capable implementing risk assessments, applying the law appropriately, ensuring the safety of his/ her prisoners and generally be doing their job properly.

Perhaps there is a conflict between the law & ensuring the safety of prisoners and that is why they have spoken out?

Worth noting that like the Scottish prison sources, the women's refuge worker and the American homelessness worker that they all felt it necessary to remain anonymous.

It is concerning when people seem to want to do their job properly that they do not feel able to discuss their concerns openly.

This is especially an issue with regards professionals responsible for people who are vulnerable.

a post op trans woman doesn't produce motile gametes and could be legally male. So no. They are not male

You said that a person who is of the sex that produced motile gametes is male.

Have you changed your mind? A post op trans'woman is of the sex that produces motile gametes.

Have you changed your mind? A post op trans'woman is of the sex that produces motile gametes.

No. They don't produce motile gametes and they are legally female.

Are you suggesting that any person of the sex that produces motile gametes, but who is individually unable to produce motile gametes, is not male?

They only don't produce motile gametes because they have undergone surgery which means they have made a choice not to. It does not change their sex.

Just chuckling at some of the penis signaling going on just up thread. So sad for second placers and all.

And surgery has fuck all to do with whether they are legally "female". Don't think that sleight of hand was missed.

OlennasWimple

I'm afraid I just stole your point about gatekeepers for a tweet. But I'm reliably told that this is a form of flattery if that helps. :)

I'm definitely not defending men's rights to access women's spaces. I think I've been quite clear about that

Deliberate falsity, pretending to use the actual meaning of the word 'men' when SMG has no meaning for the word 'men'.

SMG is defending, supporting, arguing for and campaigning for male rights to enter female spaces.

You are very generous with my boundaries, SMG. However my consent is not in your gift.

It's like the end of humanity this forum. Fecking depressing.

lol maybe, but I think that for pretty much the opposite reason to you. And most of this forum is a light in the darkness of woke pomo bullshit.

It's being allowed to happen because most men andcwuiur s lot of women apparently want women back in their rightful and subservient place.

Transpeople exist, they just aren't the opposite sex.

But sadly I don't get how this was all done so wrong. No person in the whole creation of this mess just said no we aren't quite going about this the right way. And I don't get why no-ones listening. People selling sliced cauliflower take more notice of the feedback.

Identity Politics was used as a weapon by the Left for too long and has now turned on its proponents. Society moved from a premise of individual rights to one of group rights, accusations of prejudice became the weapon of choice for anyone with a cause, it became possible to destroy a career or a business with the right tweet. Moral relativism is King and Queen and condemning anyone is seen as the worst possible behaviour (unless you're condemning them for judging others, in which case it's lauded to the heavens). Causing offence became a crime, both under law and under social rules. Universities and colleges teach that opinion is more important than fact because its useful to the ideology of most of the professors in this field. And once those things happened, exploiting it was easy. God help you if you suggested your morality or values were better than someone else's or tried to contradict their identity or tell them they weren't oppressed.

We on the Right call it "Cultural Marxism". It inevitably eats its parents. Those of us critical of it have been here all along. Usually being called bigots.

My opinion, FWIW.

SMG is defending, supporting, arguing for and campaigning for male rights to enter female spaces.

You are very generous with my boundaries, SMG. However my consent is not in your gift.

I'm supporting the right of genuine trans women to enter female spaces. As are most of the country judging by this morning's Big Questions. You don't get to define other people or their identities, only your own. That is where your boundaries stop.

Karen Adell Scot, a local transgender advocate, even offered to train Naomi's House employees on how to recognize people just pretending to identify as the opposite gender"

Ya see, this is why my Aspie tendencies get me into trouble - because to me, THEY ARE ALL PRETENDING TO BE WOMEN. Seriously, am I missing something here?