Trans Voices For Appeal Complain About Together For Yes Campaign

[SunsetBeetch]

You couldn't make it up at this point, could you?

""Trans Voices for Repeal would like the..Together for Yes campaign..to formally acknowledge the pain their actions have caused trans people in Ireland, the negative effect their campaign has had on the mental health of trans people and the unnecessary nature of this exclusion."

twitter.com/doormatt134/status/1000620731468845057?s=19

medium.com/@transvoicesforrepeal/trans-voices-for-repeal-call-on-the-together-for-yes-campaign-to-formally-apologise-to-trans-people-84931f0fa85d

Ok fair enough Her. My immediate response was that it couldn't be real. But accept that I could be wrong.

I get that you want to disassociate yourself from such blatant narcissism but suggesting that it's 'not real' makes you look desperate

Yes. I'm a bit of a fan of Blaire White. This is exactly the sort of thing she would call out- not as being fake but as obvious nonsense.

My immediate response was that it couldn't be real.

I feel the same about lady dicks. Not real. Not genuine.

A lunatic dick-owner with no credibility.

Weird huh?

Super match game - By saying that is a lunatic account you are saying the people writing it have mental health issues?

Regardless of the use of lunatic, which is contraversial in this day and age, it is a development that you acknowledge that some TRAs can sometimes show characteristics that can be read as mental health issues.

It’s something noted within GC circles for a while that the issue with self-id is that those people will not access the help they need to deal with their mental health issues if a dysphoria diagnosis is no longer necessary. That is not a good thing. We should all want to live in a world where mental health issues are not swept under the carpet but acknowledged and managed with sympathy and dignity.

Yes I watch all Blaire's stuff as well. I even look forward to new videos - that is sad lol.

Nothing about that statement surprised me. It seemed quite tame compared to a lot of rhetoric coming out of transactivism - Trans Health calling for trans prisoners to be released, for example.

Hmm

Well

Most poeple, in genderspeak, are "non binary", at least when it comes to cunty people, as we've found on here on multiple threads, most cunty people do not have any "internal sense of gender" instead just feeling like a person.

However, although according to definitions these women are non binary, most don't identify as non binary, understanding woman / female / she to refer to the fact that they are cunty.

So in this case, it really is ID trumping all, as while most women are "nonbinary", because they do not identify as such, they are not considered in statements like the one here saying that non binary people have been excluded. No they haven't, have they.

It's all so illogical and non-sensical that it makes my head hurt a bit.

YY to PP who says they are trying to change the definition of words (woman / girl / female not to mean cunty but to mean inner feelings) and then complaining that they are not included in the group when the conversation is about cunty related things.

Have they provided another word we can use to mean all cunty people, given that this is a very important category and makes up half the human race. No? Interesting that, isn't it. In fact, we are not allowed to have one.

It's is real SMG, they appear to be linked to Rad Queers Resist, who, to be fair to them, did a lot of work counter protesting the graphic anti abortion posters/protests outside maternity hospitals in recent weeks.

Someone rather self-righteously taking issue with Deborah Orr.

twitter.com/Waitingirl13/status/1000334401593585664

Pregnant people can be male
Stop doing patriarchies job for it by equating gender to body parts

They are trying to strike that tricky balance of trying to take credit for the win, while simultaneously complaining that they were excluded from the campaign.

TBH TERFragette I've never paid any attention to the whole 'lady dick' thing and I suspect most people haven't. Some of that aggressive stuff seems to come from fringe online keyboard warriors who may not even have actually transitioned in real life.

There is a play called The Lady Dick written in 1985 by Holly Hughes, apparently. Random fact.

Extract from Fairplay4Women re the Scottish legislation:

"Last year while we were all looking the other way and distracted by the UK government’s proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act the word woman was stolen from us. It was sneakily done by the Scottish parliament and hidden behind a smoke screen. That smoke screen was The Gender Representation on Public Boards Bill.

The Bill introduced the ‘gender representation objective’ – a target that women should make up 50% of non-executive board membership.

The purpose of this bill was admirable. It was to help women overcome the institutional sexism we suffer due to our sex. Positive action to redress the imbalances that have arisen from centuries of historical disadvantage. It was to acknowledge the reality that institutionalised inequality and sexist attitudes stop most women from reaching their full potential in public life. Financial barriers, income inequality, the gender pay gap, sexist attitudes, gender stereotyping, women’s disproportionate share of caring responsibilities, the undervaluing of women’s paid work, and media portrayals of women, to name but a few influences, all play a role in the sexism that prevents a fair number of women being involved in public life.

But in a cruel twist of irony it was also to be the perfect trojan horse to steal the very meaning of the words woman and female from us."

fairplayforwomen.com/scottish_stole_woman/

There will be lobbying to make the text of the bill in Ireland 'gender neutral' I've no doubt.

TBH TERFragette I've never paid any attention to the whole 'lady dick' thing and I suspect most people haven't. Some of that aggressive stuff seems to come from fringe online keyboard warriors who may not even have actually transitioned in real life.

And yet you are on here daily telling us we are wrong for not calling men women.

Perhaps you need to educate yourself a bit before you judge other people who are keeping up to date with the latest trans activist activity?

I am happy to provide some reading material for you.

I could be wrong, but I read the article (haven;t really looked at the twitter account though) and I got the impression it was mostly trans men (or TIF if you prefer) who were complaining of being excluded?

So female-born but now "identifying" as something else. Wanting the 8th to be repealed as they have female bodies and may need an abortion at some point. Objecting to the word "women" in the campaigning as they don't see themselves as women. Through their own choice. So abortion isn't necessarily just for women as they are not women according to them, even though they have female bodies.

My brain is spinning slowly......

Perhaps you need to educate yourself a bit before you judge other people who are keeping up to date with the latest trans activist activity?

Well said.

Pregnant people can be male
Stop doing patriarchies job for it by equating gender to body parts

But isn't equating gender roles to biology/body parts exactly what transgender ideology does?

Yambabe
Yes I think the claims of exclusion were for those people who identify as trans men or non-binary.

However, in seeking to include those people who were born female but who do not identify as women (but may need to access new services to obtain abortions etc), it seems likely that any changes to definition of 'woman' and 'female' would also have implications for trans women (who would not be directly affected by these particular services, policies or legislation).

If legislation changes the definition of 'woman', 'female' in this context, it may have wider applications.

It looks like it’s just a handful of people who are in that organisation. As others have said, they’ve not said anything up until now and their statement doesnt seem to be supported by anyone else. I don’t think it can be taken as representative of the thinking of trans people as a whole - as with critical feminists, there’s going to be a wide range of opinions in any group.

From what I’ve seen, Irish feminists and the Irish trans community have happily stood together to repeal the 8th.

Yambabe - the piece talks about non binary and transmen feeling excluded - but it doesnt' explicitly say that it was them who have written this piece. I'd be interested in seeing if it is true that's who wrote it. My guess would be it's another group who have written on behalf of them. I find it hard to imagine many people who fall into the group who have been denied abortion, getting the arsehole about the yes campaign, however they identify. It doesn't tend to be transmen shouting at women about this stuff, IME.

Trans ideology says you mustn't associate body parts with sex ever, except when you want to if you are a trans person and want surgery. Also, mentioning vaginas wombs etc is way triggering but penises must be constantly present both physically and in conversations all the time.

Also talking about your dick constantly is not a sign that you are a bloke.

From what I’ve seen, Irish feminists and the Irish trans community have happily stood together to repeal the 8th.

The majority of Irish citizens have done this.

It's a hugely significant thing for women.

I hope that what it is to be a woman, will not be re-defined.

Is that twitter account any more batshit that that Trans health manifesto? And that is real.

Wah wah wah. Look at me! Why won’t someone look at me and tell me how brave I am again?

To be honest this is actually the tamer side of trans activism. The dangerous side is removing sex based protections and changing language. So, Supermatch is turning, they are becoming terfy. How refreshing.